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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
137. Big Post. E-voting, HAVA and Germany
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 02:41 PM
Nov 2012

Thanks Onyx, that is a wonderful addition to the discussion.

We DO have the means to determine whether the vote is hacked Coyotl Nov 2012 #1
We do? Care to explain it? xfundy Nov 2012 #2
In Ohio we do. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #69
We do? nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #3
Do you have a proprietary interest in ESS? bvar22 Nov 2012 #4
The difference between Vegas slots and Electronic Voting Machines (pic) FreeBC Nov 2012 #58
Great Comparison! Pbs1914 Nov 2012 #63
Thank You. bvar22 Nov 2012 #68
Outstanding graphic. reusrename Nov 2012 #107
How would we do this? ElboRuum Nov 2012 #29
You want facts? EOTE Nov 2012 #34
Yeah, I kinda do want some facts. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #42
Here are some first hand facts on electronic voting in Ohio JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #72
Interesting explanation. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #99
Unfortunately, that's normally seen as a state's rights issue. randome Nov 2012 #100
Unfortunately, he's also wrong. reusrename Nov 2012 #108
Actually... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #122
I haven't seen any legitimate criticism. reusrename Nov 2012 #125
Funny... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #126
This is a progression that the prophet Orwell spoke of. reusrename Nov 2012 #133
your reasoning? heaven05 Nov 2012 #38
Odd many respond to this post without realizing that ANON claims to determine Rove is doing it Coyotl Nov 2012 #45
Never mind Anon. You have made a stunning statement, ie, that we CAN verify the vote. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #59
Never mind me, if Whoever/Anon made a stunning statement, ie, that they CAN ... Coyotl Nov 2012 #77
That is a Strawman. bvar22 Nov 2012 #62
If the Fake Anon video producers have given this more thought Coyotl Nov 2012 #81
#1 You REALLY should Google: "Strawman Logical Fallacy"... bvar22 Nov 2012 #94
When is feeding time over for these folks? reusrename Nov 2012 #110
So we could have verified the votes in 2000 and 2004 after all? I know this was sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #54
The same way your so-called Anon verified that Rove was going to hack, of course Coyotl Nov 2012 #89
I see you are trying to avoid answering my question. So I will ask it again. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #93
Anon are irrelevant. You said we could have verified the votes in 2000 sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #143
I wrote: Coyotl Nov 2012 #144
and yet Pbs1914 Nov 2012 #55
Yeah, but now we've got him talking to himself in public! reusrename Nov 2012 #111
Yes they are called exit polls and they indicate vote tampering in 2004 Exultant Democracy Nov 2012 #131
Yes. liberalmuse Nov 2012 #5
Anonymous is also keeping all the wild tigers off of my street in suburban Virginia. FSogol Nov 2012 #16
Pic Of The Moment: QUESTION: How Old Is The Earth? ProSense Nov 2012 #21
Some guy is taking them away in a lifeboat--he must be a member of the Anon Club! MADem Nov 2012 #151
Did you ever watch Independence Day? IT CAN HAPPEN!! randome Nov 2012 #17
Actually, I don't believe that Flying Saucers and Aliens represent a credible threat. bvar22 Nov 2012 #67
Here you go! randome Nov 2012 #73
We had better care if either of these things happened liberal N proud Nov 2012 #6
No. You missed the point. bvar22 Nov 2012 #7
. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #8
perfect response from you* RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #10
a response completely void of substance, bvar22 Nov 2012 #18
The needle on my sarcasm detector twitched... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #31
perfect response for illustrating who they are RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #32
Oops. bvar22 Nov 2012 #98
So you're okay with easily hackable voting machines? Or are you saying you totally trust sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #92
and now is the perfect time to unite with Republicans on this RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #9
Paper ballots are easily 'lost'. randome Nov 2012 #11
Paper Ballots are NOT "easily lost"... bvar22 Nov 2012 #13
Paper ballots are NOT easily lost and should be subjected to the chain of custody requirements byeya Nov 2012 #19
They've been 'lost', 'misplaced' and, in some cases, deliberately modified. randome Nov 2012 #39
Fine. Get Congress to mandate this across the country and I'm good with it. randome Nov 2012 #40
Thank You! bvar22 Nov 2012 #71
*Vomit* Spryguy Nov 2012 #123
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2012 #12
Silliness ProSense Nov 2012 #14
Silliness? bvar22 Nov 2012 #23
Oh please, ProSense Nov 2012 #25
Ducking he issue agin. bvar22 Nov 2012 #76
How can you ever know if it was Anonymous or not? Coyotl Nov 2012 #48
"It wasn't Anonymous ... It was an unidentified person" starroute Nov 2012 #56
The point of the OP is.. bvar22 Nov 2012 #86
K&R forestpath Nov 2012 #52
No zappaman Nov 2012 #15
And let's keep starting new threads until there is one without a Coyotl Nov 2012 #50
No, let's just kick this one because some of us progressives actually like sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #103
K&R 99Forever Nov 2012 #20
This thread was started to point out that our voting results are not verifiable and transparent byeya Nov 2012 #22
Thank You. bvar22 Nov 2012 #24
Yes I am afraid that you are right about the highjacking. I think we all remember Waukasha(sp?) byeya Nov 2012 #26
and the bags came back overstuffed, ripped, and with the wrong numbers RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #41
Thanks for the reminder of how truly blatant and horrible the performance of "our" officials byeya Nov 2012 #47
Imagine if Kathy Nickolaus was a Dem doing that to the Republican party... RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #65
Exactly. Ban BBV and the point is mute. Vincardog Nov 2012 #27
And the U.S. goes around the world telling others how to run elections... polichick Nov 2012 #28
And we sell them votibng machines that they don't know how to program without our right-wing corps Coyotl Nov 2012 #51
Anonymous hacked Kroger snooper2 Nov 2012 #30
Been hoping someone would point this out. Thank you. K&R Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #33
Excellent points, but why do some DU posters want to shut off all discussion on this topic? nt. OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #35
Too many here are self defined as Democrats, when they are actually DINO's. RC Nov 2012 #60
K&R stonecutter357 Nov 2012 #87
It's baffling isn't it? nt laundry_queen Nov 2012 #146
+10000 heaven05 Nov 2012 #36
I cannot detect any lack of truth in what you posted. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #37
Here is what gets lost in the shuffle DonCoquixote Nov 2012 #43
+1 laundry_queen Nov 2012 #147
It's amazing that stating that our elections are unverifiable is open to debate. bleever Nov 2012 #44
I agree. Norrin Radd Nov 2012 #75
As a member of Anonymous, I am keeping America safe from velociraptors! backscatter712 Nov 2012 #46
We thank you for your service! randome Nov 2012 #49
The Machines in Ohio can be hacked without a trace UCmeNdc Nov 2012 #53
Good Video , " and that is realty" bahrbearian Nov 2012 #64
That machine is a Diebold Accutron TS from 2004. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #157
Anonymous would sell their mothers to the devil NightOwwl Nov 2012 #57
So, you are saying that voting machines, own and programed by admitted Republicans, on the record RC Nov 2012 #70
I didn't say any of that. NightOwwl Nov 2012 #85
Go back and read the OP. bvar22 Nov 2012 #91
Reposting here:Thom compares 2004 & 2012 elections: Rockyj Nov 2012 #127
Well, I will never declare anyone who is telling the truth, no matter how inconvenient, dead to me. sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #90
yeah, we don't know--which SHOULD scare everyone into LOUDLY demanding action librechik Nov 2012 #61
We should demand that ProSense Nov 2012 #74
"Who save us in 2008? Was the 2010 election stolen?" bvar22 Nov 2012 #105
Ohio can indeed now certify the vote through an audit. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #66
Here ya go JR RobertEarl Nov 2012 #78
Ohio's Diebold machines are absolutely not on a computer network. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #96
You really have no clue? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #97
Yes, I agree that in '04 there was a problem. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #102
Thanks, JR RobertEarl Nov 2012 #135
As far as I can tell, the Diebold machines have no network access. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #141
Did you see this, JR? RobertEarl Nov 2012 #150
In 2004 there was no paper trail. We had to trust the machine's tally JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #153
But are they ever verified? Does anyone ever count the votes on the rolls and truckin Nov 2012 #79
Because the machine keeps track of how many votes were cast for each candidate JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #106
But no one counts the individual votes on the roll of paper to compare them truckin Nov 2012 #124
I guess that's true that no one hand counts each vote on election day JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #128
No one hand counts the paper after the election either. The paper is never counted. truckin Nov 2012 #134
That's not true. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #136
You count a randomly selected sample truckin Nov 2012 #142
? bvar22 Nov 2012 #82
Your unfounded fear of technology is clouding your view. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #148
Your false accusation is as disingenuous and diversionary as every other post you have made here. bvar22 Nov 2012 #149
The ballots are accessible to counting. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #158
More smoke and bullshit from you. bvar22 Nov 2012 #159
Haven't you ever seen the movie "Oceans Eleven"? JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #160
It does NOT take a Conspiracy Theorist... bvar22 Nov 2012 #162
It's not just one company that provides our machines. JohnnyRingo Nov 2012 #163
"With simple close circuit video feeds and mirrors in the boxes ... bvar22 Nov 2012 #164
Almost all of Ohio voted on punch cards in 2004. Coyotl Nov 2012 #145
Great post! Couldn't agree more. truckin Nov 2012 #80
Some of you missed the point of the OP LiberalLovinLug Nov 2012 #83
After over 11 years at DU, I have reached the conclusion that... bvar22 Nov 2012 #101
Hey, I used one upthread! reusrename Nov 2012 #116
Kick and Rec Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #84
Outstanding post, bvar22, in every way. Octafish Nov 2012 #88
K&R woo me with science Nov 2012 #95
I would suggest taking a moment away from the specifics and consider Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #104
"the general notion of unnamed people making unproven and unsupported allegations of great crimes" bvar22 Nov 2012 #109
The good that the Anon letter did was to stimulate discussion about why the USA has a more byeya Nov 2012 #112
You know, if it would help get verifiable elections........ socialist_n_TN Nov 2012 #115
Excellent post. It doesnt matter if Anon helped or not. Our election process is broken and needs rhett o rick Nov 2012 #113
K&R Z_I_Peevey Nov 2012 #114
Yep, I've been thinking the same thing myself......... socialist_n_TN Nov 2012 #117
Great OP topic, need more like this. chknltl Nov 2012 #118
Since no Ohio voting machines are connected to the internet FogerRox Nov 2012 #119
+a million graham4anything Nov 2012 #152
This point cannot be emphasized enough eridani Nov 2012 #120
I like your take on this issue... GitRDun Nov 2012 #121
No E-Voting In Germany OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #129
Big Post. E-voting, HAVA and Germany RobertEarl Nov 2012 #137
You are most welcome. nt OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #138
I believe that Ireland did the same thing. bvar22 Nov 2012 #140
I doubt Anonymous had anything to do with the vote Bradical79 Nov 2012 #130
I have to confess... krispos42 Nov 2012 #132
Welcome, brother! bvar22 Nov 2012 #139
it does matter, it matters very much arely staircase Nov 2012 #154
Don't you just love Conspiracy Theories Dems50State Nov 2012 #155
Gosh, bvar, could this mean that all this angst was caused by a simple psyops Zorra Nov 2012 #156
I agree that We on Du have no way of knowing Marrah_G Nov 2012 #161
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