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190. For the reason of rationality vs faith

Thu Nov 9, 2023, 09:40 AM

Nov 2023

That said, when reading this thread it reminds me, in all my life i've never met an atheist.

I've met plenty who claim to be atheists, but EVERYBODY has their sacred and profane.

Of course, having a sacred and profane led me far away from organized religion long ago. No, you can't just believe whatever you want. You need reasons, and some reasons are inherently better than others.

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I'm seeing people paint religion with a broad brush here. [View all] applegrove Nov 2023 OP

So... Is everyone right? No one right? If not everyone, NewHendoLib Nov 2023 #1

Expect to be "educated" sarisataka Nov 2023 #2

So, OP can "educate," but those disagreeing with him can't? obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #9

I am big on freedom of speech sarisataka Nov 2023 #14

I wouldn't say ALL believers are mentally ill JoseBalow Nov 2023 #54

Cute, but not going to bite sarisataka Nov 2023 #68

So you think President Biden and whathehell Nov 2023 #84

Clearly they do JoseBalow Nov 2023 #86

Lol..Sorry, but I'm afraid that's not 'clear' whathehell Nov 2023 #89

I'm skeptical of the use of quotation marks around the word "evidence" JoseBalow Nov 2023 #91

Sure sign of extreme sophistry ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #100

Really?..I'm skeptical of those who whathehell Nov 2023 #117

"punctuation" JoseBalow Nov 2023 #118

Lol! whathehell Nov 2023 #133

I don't play chess with pigeons JoseBalow Nov 2023 #135

Why? whathehell Nov 2023 #137

And they say irony is dead JoseBalow Nov 2023 #141

Awww whathehell Nov 2023 #143

jesus fucking christ, you again? JoseBalow Nov 2023 #145

What is YOUR problem?? whathehell Nov 2023 #146

So then put me on ignore and STOP HARASSING ME! JoseBalow Nov 2023 #147

You put ME on Ignore, and STOP HARASSING ME! whathehell Nov 2023 #149

You're just bullying me at this point JoseBalow Nov 2023 #150

Lol..I am bullying YOU? whathehell Nov 2023 #151

Please leave me alone JoseBalow Nov 2023 #152

Please leave me alone. whathehell Nov 2023 #153

please just stop harassing me JoseBalow Nov 2023 #154

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This is just abusive stalking and harassment PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE! JoseBalow Nov 2023 #158

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This is abusive, just stop already! JoseBalow Nov 2023 #160

Now you are harassing my inbox? WTF is your problem? JoseBalow Nov 2023 #162

No, it's not changing ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #99

It seems you need to re-read the post.. whathehell Nov 2023 #113

I know they lack those skills ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #98

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What about them inthewind21 Nov 2023 #3

I would suggest that maybe you are painting religion TxGuitar Nov 2023 #4

For me it is simple. All religion is superstition. Chainfire Nov 2023 #5

Could it possibly be... NewLarry Nov 2023 #35

I was raised in a church, I have a good feel what the church and the church people are about. I know that Chainfire Nov 2023 #41

I believe in science, too. NewLarry Nov 2023 #194

Do you believe both in evolution and the creation of Genesis? Chainfire Nov 2023 #195

of course not, I'm religious, not irrational NewLarry Nov 2023 #197

Fair enough. Chainfire Nov 2023 #200

Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #57

Yes. They have something I don't. dchill Nov 2023 #58

What are you saying here? We who aren't religious fear death? LakeArenal Nov 2023 #63

Dread death? I_UndergroundPanther Nov 2023 #94

Happy fairytales. Nothing proven. Wishful thinking. lindysalsagal Nov 2023 #50

Too simple, maybe? whathehell Nov 2023 #134

It's a DU tradition BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #6

Sorry, Dresden was a war crime. And Tokyo. And Coventry. And the Blitz. obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #11

I'm glad you're amused. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #15

I think you're smarter than that dpibel Nov 2023 #72

Except that poster didn't mention London, they mentioned Coventry. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #75

Don't think Coventry and the Blitz are the same thing dpibel Nov 2023 #90

I grew up.... usedtobedemgurl Nov 2023 #7

Much the same here. Conjuay Nov 2023 #62

Children are not as dumb as some adults.... usedtobedemgurl Nov 2023 #83

You can do all these great and moral things and be an atheist obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #8

Indeed inthewind21 Nov 2023 #18

Religion and politics use each other to gain power and wealth. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #30

Religion is used by a weapon by those in power. NewLarry Nov 2023 #38

Actually atheists Butterflylady Nov 2023 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Nov 2023 #10

Bashing Christianity in general is a great way to alienate large numbers of people. dawg Nov 2023 #12

Define "bashing" obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #21

From Wikipedia ... dawg Nov 2023 #22

people who believe a magical man is talking to them tend to be a problem Red Raider 85 Nov 2023 #59

If you speak to a "magical man", you may need some education; JoseBalow Nov 2023 #78

Your particular belief doesn't harm me, as mine doesn't harm you. BUT if you are part Scrivener7 Nov 2023 #79

You are entitled to believe in your religion and practise it and I respect that. What I find offensive is when Bev54 Nov 2023 #81

Exactly John Shaft Nov 2023 #101

Thank You..I've made this point many times. whathehell Nov 2023 #88

Well stated Redleg Nov 2023 #187

Your individual belief isn't harmful, and I'm fine with you having it Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #206

In this country the more religious you are the more likely you are to be a Trump voter. Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #13

If you look at the breakdown of the various religious groups Mariana Nov 2023 #139

As an Athiest Timewas Nov 2023 #16

"Atheist" Goodheart Nov 2023 #106

I've been intentionally trying to light fires (figure of speech) under these good Christians we've brewens Nov 2023 #17

yep edisdead Nov 2023 #124

I don't give a fuck if anyone believes in religion. I draw the line when they think I need to believe in it. Autumn Nov 2023 #19

I don't care if anyone is religious. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 2023 #20

I can't speak to your experience. WDLAL Nov 2023 #28

Of course there are good people who are religious. There are good people who are athiests. And there are bad people Chainfire Nov 2023 #34

Why are they praying for the ones that dont? Eko Nov 2023 #74

Because they care and they believe it will benefit them. WDLAL Nov 2023 #189

That is not quite what I got from that. Eko Nov 2023 #223

You are partially correct. WDLAL Nov 2023 #229

Do you ever pray that those that dont believe as it goes "find Jesus? Eko Nov 2023 #230

Of course I do. WDLAL Nov 2023 #231

I thought about this for a couple of days. Eko Nov 2023 #232

You misunderstood my response. WDLAL Nov 2023 #233

No, Eko Nov 2023 #234

Apparently, I've misunderstood. WDLAL Nov 2023 #235

Athiesm is just Eko Nov 2023 #237

Not many other religions I_UndergroundPanther Nov 2023 #95

Hey! Eko Nov 2023 #156

I don't care if anyone's atheist.. whathehell Nov 2023 #142

The Carters aren't rare, or unique, not that it makes any difference to you or others here. MerryBlooms Nov 2023 #180

Being a good, decent person TlalocW Nov 2023 #23

I am Atheist pfitz59 Nov 2023 #24

It's pretty simple really... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #25

I'm gonna chime in here to make a statement i've said before. bluestarone Nov 2023 #26

No inthewind21 Nov 2023 #29

I agree wholeheartedly and thank your for this and moniss Nov 2023 #27

It seems that very few "religious" people are good. tenderfoot Nov 2023 #31

All religions are equally bad angrychair Nov 2023 #32

it certainly is an unnecessary way to separate people Skittles Nov 2023 #37

Not the nudist buddhists. GreenWave Nov 2023 #128

Come on, Islam has to take the cake. redqueen Nov 2023 #136

A big slice of organized religion has been hijacked by power hungry fascists. usonian Nov 2023 #33

you do not need religion to be a good person Skittles Nov 2023 #36

I didn't say that. That was not my point at all. applegrove Nov 2023 #40

Extremist anything, not just Christian Caliman73 Nov 2023 #39

But that is the problem --doctrine is man made and changes with time and events. I was raised Catholic and studied for a debm55 Nov 2023 #53

That is what Protestants hated about Catholics... we interpret scripture and use other tradition. Caliman73 Nov 2023 #114

I never took the Old Testament as real, even in grade school. They were stories told in a way that people could debm55 Nov 2023 #115

And I see religious people painting non-believers with a wide brush. So what? Chainfire Nov 2023 #42

Jimmy Carter NowISeetheLight Nov 2023 #43

you do not need religion to be a good person Skittles Nov 2023 #70

Agreed NowISeetheLight Nov 2023 #112

The problem with that argument... Caliman73 Nov 2023 #120

It's a very usual human thing and fascinating. The variety is amazing. betsuni Nov 2023 #44

. ItsjustMe Nov 2023 #45

I'm an atheist who works at a Reform Jewish synagogue GreenEyedLefty Nov 2023 #46

i live in a very jewish hood. mopinko Nov 2023 #105

People have been painting anyone and everyone with broad brushes here IronLionZion Nov 2023 #47

If you are secure in your beliefs why do you care what anyone thinks. LakeArenal Nov 2023 #48

I despise all religions, as far as I know... mike_c Nov 2023 #49

Religion is the creation of humans, and any religion is only as good or as bad Ocelot II Nov 2023 #51

I agree with you, Ocelot II debm55 Nov 2023 #56

I do not agree with you. DontBelieveEastisEas Nov 2023 #161

Yip, MY broad brush: It's humans' first invention & the final destruction. UTUSN Nov 2023 #225

all religions are made up nonsense Red Raider 85 Nov 2023 #52

Sometimes it's hard to choose a brush size hurl Nov 2023 #55

Here is something easier Chi67 Nov 2023 #60

I think people have just as much right to agree with religion as to not agree with it. walkingman Nov 2023 #61

"I don't think it has anything to do with religion." Agree. betsuni Nov 2023 #64

Not biting. Tom Yossarian Joad Nov 2023 #65

I think man created religion to rationalize reality and provide a platform to hope that life could be everlasting. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2023 #66

Probably, however Chi67 Nov 2023 #92

Those other religions your refer too need to speak out oldmanlynn Nov 2023 #67

Christianity has been hijacked and transformed into a christofascist movement jmbar2 Nov 2023 #69

I can view humans separately from their religion. I credit the human for being a good human Maru Kitteh Nov 2023 #71

Raised Catholic, converted to Greek Orthodox maxrandb Nov 2023 #73

I think you've proved your point. lapucelle Nov 2023 #76

Religion should be a personal choice. toddwv Nov 2023 #77

Not clear what aspect of religion you want specificity on... brooklynite Nov 2023 #80

Thank you. You are correct. whathehell Nov 2023 #82

100% agree, and religions need to stop "Usually represents a combination of ignorance and overall hostility" obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #127

Lol..That's funny whathehell Nov 2023 #131

I'd use a power sprayer. ZonkerHarris Nov 2023 #85

You mean like a bidet? JoseBalow Nov 2023 #93

Super Soaker ZonkerHarris Nov 2023 #96

Well, maybe christians shouldn't ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #97

Save your breath wryter2000 Nov 2023 #102

I feel like I'm in the old gungeon. Does anyone remember applegrove Nov 2023 #103

I stayed out of the gungeon wryter2000 Nov 2023 #116

That's it exactly. Someone would always come along and politely express that applegrove Nov 2023 #119

What's missing in latest TV interviews Pasta 1 Nov 2023 #104

It's not about religion. It's about control. Zambero Nov 2023 #107

One reason to be suspicious of protestant religions in America today is that it has been co-opted by the far right, Chainfire Nov 2023 #108

Not all protestant religions have been co-opted. applegrove Nov 2023 #121

Maybe it's because the 3 Major Religious Cults have been engaging in WAR for about 2000 years and continue msfiddlestix Nov 2023 #109

And, they all worship the same God, too obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #125

The God character of Christianity is evil. Oneironaut Nov 2023 #110

Um, no.. You've got your "god characters" confused whathehell Nov 2023 #126

You are mistaken obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #129

No, I think you are.. whathehell Nov 2023 #132

The god that killed his kid? dpibel Nov 2023 #155

But won't you pledge allegiance to avoid the everlasting tortue? DontBelieveEastisEas Nov 2023 #163

There are so many ways to be damned dpibel Nov 2023 #164

lol, I was thinking the same thing. DontBelieveEastisEas Nov 2023 #166

So you are, in fact dpibel Nov 2023 #171

I do not take that wager. DontBelieveEastisEas Nov 2023 #172

Speak straight, my friend dpibel Nov 2023 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author DontBelieveEastisEas Nov 2023 #178

Everlasting torture that is promised by a book that also lies about the earth being filled with water and Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #170

I like your logic DontBelieveEastisEas Nov 2023 #176

Bravo!! Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #169

Christian dominionist are the ones I'm singling out. America's Taliban IMO. Hotler Nov 2023 #111

Exactly. applegrove Nov 2023 #122

Because it's all bullsh*t? edisdead Nov 2023 #123

The broad brush of religion Brenda Nov 2023 #130

Democracy says you can, if enough people believe your same religion. DontBelieveEastisEas Nov 2023 #165

Just because some religious people are good people doesn't mean much. Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Nov 2023 #140

I consider myself spiritual but not very religious mvd Nov 2023 #144

Indeed NT Patton French Nov 2023 #148

I'm an atheist, but I agree with you. Crunchy Frog Nov 2023 #167

The people you mentioned would have been great people WITHOUT religion. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #168

You can't prove that. Jimmy Carter would never have applegrove Nov 2023 #173

Just as you cannot prove otherwise. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #188

There is absolutely no way of knowing any of that. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2023 #199

How do you know that? And why are you equating being devout with being a good person? obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #218

I meant Jimmy Carter being devout to the walk the walk applegrove Nov 2023 #221

I always have, and will forever continue to paint religion and religionists with the broadest brush possible. Iggo Nov 2023 #175

Alienating Christians by the left is, in large part, why a lot of Christians tolerate the GOP. NCIndie Nov 2023 #177

Tragic, victimized Christians dpibel Nov 2023 #179

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sarcasm is the answer. NCIndie Nov 2023 #181

It's actually a substantive reply dpibel Nov 2023 #182

Take an objective look at the tone of your post. NCIndie Nov 2023 #193

What are these Christian values that you would like embraced? DontBelieveEastisEas Nov 2023 #183

Those that coincide with basic, acceptable human behavior. NCIndie Nov 2023 #191

What's the first commandment? dpibel Nov 2023 #196

And the second. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2023 #198

Hey, no one is telling you how to live your life. NCIndie Nov 2023 #215

Other than the fundies, that is dpibel Nov 2023 #220

Where are you going with this? NCIndie Nov 2023 #204

It's not a theological aspect dpibel Nov 2023 #212

You cherry picked the theological aspect. The first four commandments are religious based NCIndie Nov 2023 #213

Why does honoring your parents make you moral? obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #217

Yeah, that's exactly what I said. NCIndie Nov 2023 #219

Not all... dslyahoo Nov 2023 #184

Do not like the I'm-so-smart-cause-atheist boasting thing. betsuni Nov 2023 #185

Lobbing a bomb Dorian Gray Nov 2023 #186

For the reason of rationality vs faith jacksonian Nov 2023 #190

I don't care if people worship a doorknob dalton99a Nov 2023 #192

20% of Democrats are gun owners. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2023 #201

Is owning a gun and/or having religious beliefs sarisataka Nov 2023 #203

No. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2023 #211

Then why is it so hard sarisataka Nov 2023 #216

I can't answer for others. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2023 #222

I do not feel like you were attacking sarisataka Nov 2023 #227

As a christian, I recognize that a lot of this expression is from an awful lot of mistreatment by Christians ... marble falls Nov 2023 #202

please drop the christo and call them what they are fascists . some of us do the walk. AllaN01Bear Nov 2023 #205

There are certainly remarkable people who have religious affiliation. pandr32 Nov 2023 #207

My usual respons to the mythological paleotn Nov 2023 #209

Here's my broad brush: NO tax exemptions intrepidity Nov 2023 #210

Now this is painting like DaVinci DFW Nov 2023 #214

I agree, in fact right-wing extremists of all brands of religion should be the true evil we talk about.... AntiFascist Nov 2023 #224

I have often found the religious principles of native Americans to be 'more christian' DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #226

It's always hard to accept ideas that are different than your own. lees1975 Nov 2023 #228

Organized (institutional) religions are rightly Edim Nov 2023 #236

I so don't agree. Look at Unitarians or Presbyterians applegrove Nov 2023 #238