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BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
Thu Nov 2, 2023, 09:24 PM Nov 2023

Left-Wing Defenses of Hamas Are an Insult to Palestinians [View all]

Matt Johnson
Published Nov. 01, 2023 8:11PM EDT

On Oct. 30, a long list of faculty at Columbia University and Barnard College attached their names to an open letter which argued that the murders, rapes, and kidnappings committed by Hamas against Israelis and foreign nationals in Israel—mostly civilians—were a “military response by a people who had endured crushing and unrelenting state violence from an occupying power over many years.”

The open letter is just the latest episode in a broader convulsion of cruel stupidity on the Western left since the atrocities of Oct. 7.

Protesters celebrated the massacre of young concert attendees in New York. The Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) declared the slaughter of civilians was a “direct result of Israel’s apartheid regime” and “not unprovoked.” An open letter from a “coalition of Palestine solidarity groups” at Harvard University announced that Israel is “entirely responsible for all unfolding violence” and stated that the “apartheid regime is the only one to blame.”

Underneath the outright refusal to condemn an explicitly genocidal organization that just carried out the largest mass murder of Jews since the Holocaust, there are a couple of revealing assumptions. These assumptions—which are obscured by the language of faux anti-imperialism and humanitarian concern—help to explain why otherwise decent people can excuse (and even endorse) the worst crimes imaginable.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/left-wing-defenses-of-hamas-are-an-insult-to-palestinians

This piece goes into something that has really bothered me this month-- why are so many of the people who supportive of Hamas on the left? And not just any people-- highly educated and supposedly informed ones? University professors, college students, political activists. A lot of it seems to derive from the generally admirable idea of siding with the perceived oppressed against the perceived oppressors, combined with the somewhat inaccurately-identified ethnic backgrounds of the two sides. But how has this point of view turned into something where people go out and celebrate the massacre of innocents? Where they go out of their way to rip down posters of kidnapped kids?

This article doesn't really explain the how, but it does go a bit into why such thinking may be wrong, at least from the author's point of view. For my part, it's simply embarrassing as a liberal to watch Republicans point to these examples and crow about how they were right about what they claim is "wokism" in academia.
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Yes, I agree that this is going to hurt our side. yagotme Nov 2023 #1
Yup TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #2
I certainly don't condone the actions of Hamas, but I can understand it. Compare it Gaugamela Nov 2023 #3
Too bad the Palestinians didn't take the several deals that have been yagotme Nov 2023 #4
There's plenty of blame to go around on all sides. Too bad Israel drove 700,000 Gaugamela Nov 2023 #8
Israel refused a 2 state solution? yagotme Nov 2023 #10
Rehashing a selective version of history that leaves out wnylib Nov 2023 #40
One needs to review ALL history, to understand a certain event. nt yagotme Nov 2023 #41
Agree. But be sure that it is accurate history on all sides. The history of Jews and Arabs in the region wnylib Nov 2023 #43
You don't want to rehash history Arazi Nov 2023 #16
Since we're on the topic of history. CincyDem Nov 2023 #31
This is true manicdem Nov 2023 #46
"Drove 700,000 Palestinians off their lands?" wnylib Nov 2023 #39
Read a F'ing book... Hieronymus Phact Nov 2023 #7
Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #11
You can understand the raping and murdering of children? MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #32
Israel has not "enslaved" Palestinians. Nor is the situation comparable to the New World. yardwork Nov 2023 #34
Your post attributes the October 7 terrorist attacks wnylib Nov 2023 #37
Thank you for this succinct history. yardwork Nov 2023 #45
I just read a book today titled "Jews Don't Count" madaboutharry Nov 2023 #5
Not knowing history. Anti-capitalism, anti-establishment is fashionable. betsuni Nov 2023 #17
How is "from the river to the sea" different than "from sea to shining sea"? How are Islamic Palestinian Hamas Backseat Driver Nov 2023 #44
You want more recommendations? Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #18
What do you think about How to Fight Anti-Semitism by Bari Weiss? LauraInLA Nov 2023 #19
Her book was actually good. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #21
I get the need for a break. madaboutharry Nov 2023 #24
Thank you for all the recommendations! EOM LauraInLA Nov 2023 #38
Behind the Aegis, they were both excellent. madaboutharry Nov 2023 #23
"Not knowing history" is a big one. yardwork Nov 2023 #35
Well put. wnylib Nov 2023 #42
X a Brazillion. nt Maru Kitteh Nov 2023 #6
A lot of people are insulting a lot of people. NT LightBright Nov 2023 #9
"they go out of their way to rip down posters of kidnapped kids?" This is support for Hamas Maru Kitteh Nov 2023 #12
I agree. yagotme Nov 2023 #13
There are a slew of leftist cheering those girls on. It's shameful! BlueLucy Nov 2023 #14
Haven't seen the New York one? yagotme Nov 2023 #15
There's a Twitter post from (Miami) showing posters of hostages LauraInLA Nov 2023 #20
That, I'd say, is too far. yagotme Nov 2023 #25
NY here: yagotme Nov 2023 #28
In the UK, a police officer was caught ripping them down. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #22
Anti-Semitism, or public property, yagotme Nov 2023 #26
NY here: yagotme Nov 2023 #27
NY here: yagotme Nov 2023 #29
Yes I just read about that Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2023 #47
The extreme right and left bend and meet at antisemitism. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #30
Hmm interesting RainWalker Nov 2023 #33
Can't look at the living conditions in Gaza in a vacuum. Johnny2X2X Nov 2023 #36
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