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PatSeg

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Thu Jul 21, 2022, 08:45 AM Jul 2022

I Was Wrong About Al Franken by Michelle Goldberg [View all]

During the height of the #MeToo movement in 2017, a woman named Leeann Tweeden accused Al Franken of sexually harassing her during his comedian days and produced a photo of him pretending to grope her breasts. I called on Franken to resign from the Senate, not because I thought his alleged actions were irredeemable, but because I thought Democrats should free themselves of the burden of defending him.

My first instinct, I wrote at the time, “is to say that Franken deserves a chance to go through an ethics investigation but remain in the Senate, where he should redouble his efforts on behalf of abuse and harassment victims.” But if that happened, I feared Republicans would be able to use the photo of Franken to deflect from the more serious charges against Donald Trump and Roy Moore, then running for Senate in Alabama while dogged by accusations of sexually assaulting teenagers. “It’s not worth it,” I wrote then. “The question isn’t about what’s fair to Franken, but what’s fair to the rest of us.”

In the years since, I’ve argued with many people who believe that Franken was the victim of a serious injustice. Often, they’d point to Jane Mayer’s New Yorker reporting exposing inconsistencies in Tweeden’s story and describing Franken’s regret and devastation. I feel awful for Franken, and I’m not sure he deserved to lose his job, but I don’t think he was innocent either. Before the Tweeden photo surfaced, I’d heard secondhand about Franken grabbing a woman’s butt at a political event. At the time I didn’t know what to make of it, but when Tweeden came forward, I braced myself for others to follow, and they did.

By the time Franken resigned, eight women had accused him of either groping or trying to forcibly kiss them. Even if you dismiss Tweeden’s account, it seems to me overwhelmingly likely that he acted in a way that left women who’d admired him confused and humiliated.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/21/opinion/michelle-goldberg-al-franken.html

The New York Times invited their Opinion columnists "to reflect on when they have misjudged, predicted incorrectly, let their preconceived ideas blind them to the facts. Eight of them weighed in." Interesting series of articles. I haven't read them all yet.

At first I was impressed that after all this time Goldberg was willing to admit she was wrong, but her response was rather disappointing, as if it was really difficult for her to admit she was wrong. Sounds like she is saying "I was wrong, well sort of, maybe, but, but it wasn't my fault".


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She is also still wrong on what the problem was dsc Jul 2022 #1
Good point PatSeg Jul 2022 #11
5, 4, 3, 2, 1: How many Michelle Goldbergs continue to regurgitate her original points, unevolved hlthe2b Jul 2022 #2
Nope, I won't forget PatSeg Jul 2022 #12
I know, there was NO apology that I heard. a kennedy Jul 2022 #51
Maybe she thought THIS was an apology PatSeg Jul 2022 #56
Let us not forget inthewind21 Jul 2022 #72
I totally agree PatSeg Jul 2022 #84
+1 2naSalit Jul 2022 #27
Goldberg also wanted to give Juanita Broaddrick the benefit of the doubt. Tommy Carcetti Jul 2022 #3
Maybe Goldberg needs to go back into therapy..... FarPoint Jul 2022 #5
I agree PatSeg Jul 2022 #14
I totally agree.... FarPoint Jul 2022 #63
And recently she wrote an article PatSeg Jul 2022 #6
As an assault survivor, I find Broaddrick disgusting. shrike3 Jul 2022 #30
She's gone out of her way to immediately attack any accusers of right wing figures. Tommy Carcetti Jul 2022 #32
Exactly. Why I find her disgusting. shrike3 Jul 2022 #34
That's not an admission. She's making it worse. She should just stfu about it. Solomon Jul 2022 #4
Exactly PatSeg Jul 2022 #8
Yep. n/t shrike3 Jul 2022 #31
+1 2naSalit Jul 2022 #28
"overwhelmingly likely" nuxvomica Jul 2022 #7
Yep, lots of "weasel words" PatSeg Jul 2022 #10
She consistently disappoints (n/t) PJMcK Jul 2022 #9
Punditry - Where you can be wrong all the time and still keep your job Sympthsical Jul 2022 #13
Well said PatSeg Jul 2022 #16
He's also about 50/50 Sympthsical Jul 2022 #33
I agree, there is a whole lot of "filler" in the news PatSeg Jul 2022 #37
When you're flanked by David Brooks, Ross Douthat, and Bret Stephens... Act_of_Reparation Jul 2022 #53
Completely fair point Sympthsical Jul 2022 #59
I would give him far more than 50/50. karynnj Jul 2022 #78
Goldberg is playing a lot of CYA DFW Jul 2022 #15
Yes, if she'd met with Al Franken PatSeg Jul 2022 #17
My senator in Oregon was one of Tree Lady Jul 2022 #42
That is (good) news to me DFW Jul 2022 #48
Can you tell me which one? DFW Jul 2022 #87
You know what? I was wrong Tree Lady Jul 2022 #88
Ugh! DFW Jul 2022 #89
+1 betsuni Jul 2022 #49
Kamala, Bernie, and Schumer called on him to resign 867-5309. Jul 2022 #18
The eight accusers were full of shit Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #21
And probably paid to make those claims PatSeg Jul 2022 #23
I agree and they were anonymous too...I remember one said Franken looked at her funny Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #44
Oh, I've been here everyday PatSeg Jul 2022 #54
It actually does. BannonsLiver Jul 2022 #61
Franken had two things going against him Buckeyeblue Jul 2022 #19
The Senator from New York might have a different opinion...she will never be president. Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #45
Kamala and Schumer might as well 867-5309. Jul 2022 #67
Not silly at all inthewind21 Jul 2022 #73
Gillibrand tried to make hay out of it. shrike3 Jul 2022 #75
Hard to see why Gillibrand thought this would help her 867-5309. Jul 2022 #76
No, I'm not saying they'd not have come out for Franken's resignation. shrike3 Jul 2022 #81
Yes, it was primarily Gillibrand PatSeg Jul 2022 #86
She is still fucking wrong. She relied on Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #20
Yes, I still don't see where she actually admitted PatSeg Jul 2022 #24
+1 2naSalit Jul 2022 #29
He should never have resigned malaise Jul 2022 #22
I know PatSeg Jul 2022 #25
Franken.... LexVegas Jul 2022 #26
Roger Stone played the Dems like a fiddle. Ligyron Jul 2022 #35
When the whole #MeToo movement started, PatSeg Jul 2022 #38
The #Me Too was a much needed epiphany for many. Ligyron Jul 2022 #66
Yes, it is very rare PatSeg Jul 2022 #68
Me Too was not good because there was no due process...and now it is discredited by so many Demsrule86 Jul 2022 #82
Thanks for absolutely nothing, Michelle Goldberg. Paladin Jul 2022 #36
Saying nothing at all would have been preferable PatSeg Jul 2022 #39
Bullseye. Thank you. Paladin Jul 2022 #41
Actually David Brooks' piece PatSeg Jul 2022 #46
Glad you got something out of Brooks' piece. I'll pass. (nt) Paladin Jul 2022 #52
Sometimes people surprise us PatSeg Jul 2022 #57
David Brooks is often wrong but I can't dislike him, he has a niceness about him. betsuni Jul 2022 #62
Yes, there is a willingness to admit PatSeg Jul 2022 #64
Yeah. We know. Iggo Jul 2022 #40
A little late Ms Goldberg... Wounded Bear Jul 2022 #43
She didn't really admit she was wrong, PatSeg Jul 2022 #47
Shorter Goldberg: JHB Jul 2022 #50
It should have started out: PatSeg Jul 2022 #60
The are many Senators I would like to hear from on the ruin of Franken. LakeArenal Jul 2022 #55
Not even a so-so sorry. betsuni Jul 2022 #58
You're right geardaddy Jul 2022 #65
Yep, she was just saying: PatSeg Jul 2022 #69
Exactly! geardaddy Jul 2022 #70
Too little, too late. I am not impressed by her, either. flying_wahini Jul 2022 #71
Broaddrick (mentioned above) tweeted, "Bannon is working on it. Good things are coming." shrike3 Jul 2022 #74
Oh, I didn't know that about Broaddrick PatSeg Jul 2022 #77
I didn't recall about Stone. Lord knows we can't remember everything. shrike3 Jul 2022 #80
I remember hearing about Stone and Hannity PatSeg Jul 2022 #83
What the hell kind of "I was wrong" was this?!?!? Novara Jul 2022 #79
There was no acknowledgement of wrongdoing whatsoever PatSeg Jul 2022 #85
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