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In reply to the discussion: Reminder: HRC lost the Electoral College by less than 100K votes spread over 3 states. [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(145,752 posts)18. Stein voters and voters stayed home were the margin of defeat
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Reminder: HRC lost the Electoral College by less than 100K votes spread over 3 states. [View all]
pnwmom
May 2022
OP
No it is not the correct answer...just an excuse really. And there is no excuse IMHO.
Demsrule86
May 2022
#120
Hillary would've been president from 2016-2020 if not for reasons already discussed.
brush
May 2022
#14
Even if he had gotten away with it, the Court would have no conservative majority.
Beautiful Disaster
May 2022
#11
Incumbents rarely lose. Let's see, in 32 Herbert Hoover lost, in 1976 Jimmy Carter lost,
Demsrule86
May 2022
#122
Even if he doesn't, there's not enough conservative justices to overturn Roe.
Beautiful Disaster
May 2022
#9
Let's be honest, if Clinton had become POTUS, the Repuke House would have impeached her within days
DickKessler
May 2022
#36
So what you are implying is that it was OK to not vote for Democratic nominee because
Demsrule86
May 2022
#124
This whole discussion is a "what-if"-- about what would have happened with the SC
DemocraticPatriot
May 2022
#188
Ok...if you say so...whatever gets you through...what could be the end of our Republic
Demsrule86
May 2022
#125
We might have taken the Senate...at the midterm or even during the election...so that is not
Demsrule86
May 2022
#119
That is true. What distubs me about this is that...you get the feeling that some have learned
Demsrule86
May 2022
#178
You are so fucking right! Progressives don't like to talk about those losses
demosincebirth
May 2022
#5
You are assuming those tens of millions would have voted for a progressive. I'm not.
pnwmom
May 2022
#16
And the reality is that those progressives who voted 3rd party decided to let the perfect
pnwmom
May 2022
#34
So you are saying that we don't have to vote for the Democratic nominee for President.
Demsrule86
May 2022
#131
You're right. It is about the country. Do you agree then, that RBG should have retired before 2015?
DickKessler
May 2022
#211
Except if we do not acknowledge the stupid of THEN, we will do the stupid again.
LizBeth
May 2022
#175
300K voters were turned away at the polls in Wisconsin alone for lacking proper ID
Spider Jerusalem
May 2022
#13
And yet the 3rd party progressives could have turned the election around DESPITE
pnwmom
May 2022
#17
I don't understand why liberals would rather blame the left than Republicans
Spider Jerusalem
May 2022
#25
If you want to win over progressive voters, give them a progressive candidate
Spider Jerusalem
May 2022
#28
Anyone who thinks HRC wasn't progressive is nuts. She wasn't center-right by any definition.
pnwmom
May 2022
#33
I only blame "progressives" who failed to vote for the only Democrat running in November,
pnwmom
May 2022
#42
She very much was centre-right by the definition of the majority of the world
Spider Jerusalem
May 2022
#39
The WORLD wasn't voting in the US election, so the US electorate is the only one that mattered. n/t
pnwmom
May 2022
#44
And those "actual leftists" who viewed her as center-right and therefore unworthy
pnwmom
May 2022
#46
A candidate they could vote for would be one that millions of Democrats would be repulsed by.
pnwmom
May 2022
#48
Then stop complaining that you didn't get their votes, since you clearly don't want them?
Spider Jerusalem
May 2022
#49
Given the choice between two candidates I find repugnant I might make the same choice.
Spider Jerusalem
May 2022
#123
I, for one, do indeed despise them more than the republicans. They knew what was at stake,
LongtimeAZDem
May 2022
#192
We got Trump because some people saw her as a centrist and voted for her anyway?
Cuthbert Allgood
May 2022
#142
The narratives that took hold during the 2016 general election campaign are stunning
lapucelle
May 2022
#203
+1, democrats to this day don't understand how effective anti voter laws are
uponit7771
May 2022
#112
Faulty logic - If Stein and Nader hadn't run, their supporters would've stayed home.
TheRickles
May 2022
#21
Gary Johnson's voters would have largely gone to Hillary. But that isn't the main issue.
StevieM
May 2022
#83
Lofty goals that can't be achieved as claimed are intensely imperfect, though.
Hortensis
May 2022
#19
I believe Sheldon Cooper said it to Neil DeGrasse Tyson on the Big Bang Theory. (eom)
StevieM
May 2022
#86
those states were packed with conservatives. Red state moderates VOTED FOR TRUMP, not progressives
bigtree
May 2022
#29
We could blame those voters. Or we could blame those who didn't vote for someone more "electable"
DickKessler
May 2022
#30
Why? The last GS speech was by the Co-CEO of KKR, founder of the Asian American Foundation.
betsuni
May 2022
#57
Being paid a lot of money to give speeches by someone who hopes you'll act in their interest....
Spider Jerusalem
May 2022
#75
Being paid for doing a job is bad if Hillary. Becoming a millionaire by writing
betsuni
May 2022
#152
What corruption? What influence? Name anything. Appearance? Name one real thing.
betsuni
May 2022
#161
Most people over the course of decades changed. I already explained to you that she did NOT
pnwmom
May 2022
#56
She voted for the AUMF; she could've voted no. She didn't vote no. Don't try to justify it.
Spider Jerusalem
May 2022
#58
Boston Globe, 2016: HRC has run the most progressive presidential campaign in history of the US.
pnwmom
May 2022
#61
I don't know any Democratic progressives who hated Hillary and gave Trump the benefit of the doubt,
pnwmom
May 2022
#59
And yet there were enough Jill Stein voters to have swung the election. Bernie might
pnwmom
May 2022
#157
Hillary is too perfect to ever get any blame. It's all the fault of evil leftists and Bernie Bros.
Spider Jerusalem
May 2022
#166
What were all those folks treated to from a non-Democrat. The messaging that Democrats
Nixie
May 2022
#209
I only stated statistical facts, the 2016 race was so close that multiple things could have tipped
Celerity
May 2022
#81
again with false charges and also non sequiturs, with personal attacks added in
Celerity
May 2022
#97
That's a false charge, there are many reasons why Clinton lost, and I, unlike many, do not narrow
Celerity
May 2022
#93
"It's like 3 people shooting someone all at once, at the same time, fatal with all 3 combined..."
Nixie
May 2022
#103
utterly false framing and projection to try and insinuate something sinister into a simple analogy
Celerity
May 2022
#111
I projected nothing, you are the one projecting with your repeated references and false
Celerity
May 2022
#129
No, you are falsely, outrageously trying to make a false connection to things that have nothing
Celerity
May 2022
#145
Nothing superfluous, absolutely germane. You are falsely erecting a Potemkin village of a narrative
Celerity
May 2022
#169
I don't have to apologize for what you wrote. It's a completely irrational technique
Nixie
May 2022
#186
No, you can spin it all you want, but you are the one playing personal attack and invent a false
Celerity
May 2022
#193
you apparently do not understand what spam is, nor can you compare slanderous personal attacks
Celerity
May 2022
#158
What do you call your attempts to get me to engage on a personal level with you?
Nixie
May 2022
#206
I am not cutting and pasting, most of the text is my own original typing, if you do not want to
Celerity
May 2022
#159
You should take your own advice. If you don't want to read how someone responds to your own words,
Nixie
May 2022
#207
Yes, and it's obvious her links don't match how she summarizes them. She indicated she understands
Nixie
May 2022
#208
Thanks for this info. Clinton's loss was more complex than many want to see. For some it's all
jalan48
May 2022
#108
even the scapegoat does not hold up, even if you use a very much extreme overestimate
Celerity
May 2022
#114
Revisionism is correct. Failure can then be blamed on someone else, the scapegoat.
jalan48
May 2022
#115
I was fearful at the time, that AA turnout would drop significantly without Barack Obama
DemocraticPatriot
May 2022
#187
"decline in black turnout to voter suppression tactics " is more of a factor for black voter drop ..
uponit7771
May 2022
#113
"though in PA and MI there were no new restrictive laws passed between 2012 and 2016. "
BumRushDaShow
May 2022
#195
I did not state that there were no restrictive laws in place. I only said that post 2012 election,
Celerity
May 2022
#196
I was referring to between the 2012 and 2016 elections, not the calendar years, meaning that both
Celerity
May 2022
#198
As bad as the Rethugs are in the US House and US Senate (and they are shit bad) there are many
Celerity
May 2022
#200
I just posted in another thread that mentions some issues early on (2013) in Michigan
BumRushDaShow
May 2022
#201
Any time there is a traumatic even they refight the 2016 primary all over again
Doc Sportello
May 2022
#165
Or we can just put our hands over our ears, do stupid all over again. Sarandon today is working
LizBeth
May 2022
#177
I will not forgive, I will not forget. How many times were we told women issues were NOT
LizBeth
May 2022
#173