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Yavin4

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1. Why stop at 2016? I would go all the way back to 2000.

Sat Sep 19, 2020, 10:03 AM

Sep 2020

More so than 2016, 2000 was THE year that we could have made massive progressive changes for the new century. Coming out of Clinton's 2nd term, we had a budget surplus, an end to the Cold War, new technology that was creating new industries, and peace around the world.

The Progressives back then voted for Nader which cost Gore and just look at how much we've lost since then. Two wars, a financial collapse, the rise of Trump, and a right wing SCOTUS. Sure, there was the bright spot of Obama's presidency, but that's pretty much it. Everything else has been a shit sandwich.

Some American progressives simply do not understand that you cannot have progress without power. You have to seize power in order to have progress. Making speeches at rallies, posting online, and voting for 3rd party candidates out of spite loses power.

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The Chickens of 2010 and 2016 Have Come Home to Roost [View all] MineralMan Sep 2020 OP

Why stop at 2016? I would go all the way back to 2000. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #1

I chose 2010 and 2016 because they are remembered better MineralMan Sep 2020 #3

2000 resonates more because of where we were then. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #9

Yes, but we need to be relevant to those who have no memory of 2020. MineralMan Sep 2020 #10

History matters. 2000 is only 20 years ago. Yavin4 Sep 2020 #20

2010 was awful in the House and in state legislatures... moose65 Sep 2020 #24

Exactly still_one Sep 2020 #14

No, let's take this logic back to something like Sherman A1 Sep 2020 #19

Wrong...there are senate seats being impacted by crappy Greens. It continues. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #74

Oh, sure Sherman A1 Sep 2020 #89

And all the way forward to 2018 FBaggins Sep 2020 #34

I'd go back as far as 1980 and Reagan, who legitimized a lot of factions... AngryOldDem Sep 2020 #48

Absolutely 1994. plimsoll Sep 2020 #66

Yes, he did. AngryOldDem Sep 2020 #75

I agree with some of that rockfordfile Sep 2020 #2

I'm glad to hear it. MineralMan Sep 2020 #4

I hope a good number of people who didn't vote in 2016 or went 3rd party come to... The Genealogist Sep 2020 #5

If They Don't, Their Very Survival Is in Question. MineralMan Sep 2020 #6

I know that Cornell West will be voting for Biden/Harris, because he said so on Anderson/Cooper still_one Sep 2020 #15

I hope so. calimary Sep 2020 #60

Most of them are unapologetic, and some like Gray and Sirota are doing the same things they did in still_one Sep 2020 #62

Great post MM. Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #7

You're too kind. MineralMan Sep 2020 #8

Democrats controlled the Senate for 6 years and the House for 2 years of the Obama administration Klaralven Sep 2020 #11

I think most progressive voters only see it one way In It to Win It Sep 2020 #12

Post removed Post removed Sep 2020 #29

Bless your heart. BannonsLiver Sep 2020 #50

"In Pennsylvania, where public and private polls showed a competitive race similar to 2012, betsuni Sep 2020 #67

Republican Lite ? You mean Sanders and his pro gun stance ? Hillary and other Democrats have far JI7 Sep 2020 #70

+100000000000000000000 betsuni Sep 2020 #73

Ed Markey was Suddenly Good enough for a certain crowd that has attacked other Democrats JI7 Sep 2020 #71

I don't think your post will be unpopular because we've hashed out these issues to death. Firestorm49 Sep 2020 #13

Yes. ismnotwasm Sep 2020 #16

Angry, Frustrated, and Very, Very Worried. MineralMan Sep 2020 #27

Democrats and Progressives don't see politics as a war the way Republicans do bucolic_frolic Sep 2020 #17

K&R, but you need to re-word one sentence Martin Eden Sep 2020 #18

I was going to comment on that as well. I would make one minor change in the word order DFW Sep 2020 #72

It's all about TANGIBLE support now...donate or work for Democrats running against McCONnell, Graham BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2020 #21

Yes. That and just plain turn out and turn Trump out of office. MineralMan Sep 2020 #28

We HAVE to, yes. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2020 #57

Far too many DUers were on the punish Democrats first plan back then IronLionZion Sep 2020 #22

But it is a shame Pres Obama had to nominate someone that conservative. Ligyron Sep 2020 #53

Righteous words brother. Pepsidog Sep 2020 #23

Yes. Every word hits the mark. NoRoadUntravelled Sep 2020 #25

I am a progressive PatSeg Sep 2020 #26

For almost four years, I've been imagining where we'd be with MineralMan Sep 2020 #30

Not just wasted, PatSeg Sep 2020 #41

democrats need offense, not just GOTV and fundraising - destroy RW talk radio, it's ready certainot Sep 2020 #31

How do you suggest we do that? I'm all ears. MineralMan Sep 2020 #32

That's the question that is always asked. TwilightZone Sep 2020 #35

That's because there is no answer. Without giving up the First Amendment, MineralMan Sep 2020 #36

see comment below. you would have a point if rw radio was not a 95% monopoly that certainot Sep 2020 #49

see below. aside from that, dems don't even poll for rw radio. start with that, identify certainot Sep 2020 #46

all it would take is one major athlete to publicize the absurdity of their team's broadcasts certainot Sep 2020 #43

how many radio advertisers will support COVID denial for 2 months, like all limbaugh stations certainot Sep 2020 #51

OK, then. You do it. MineralMan Sep 2020 #52

dem and progressive leadership and media leaders/pundits etc have completely failed certainot Sep 2020 #54

Limbaugh is only the tip of the boil,not the infection itself. Look at who owns local TV stations... Hekate Sep 2020 #87

limbo basically leads messaging on 1500 radio stations for the COC, RW, Putin think tanks that certainot Sep 2020 #88

Boycott their sponsors. Mr.Bill Sep 2020 #59

Nice! Bigredhunk Sep 2020 #33

Unfortunately A Lot Of People Don't Pay Attention COL Mustard Sep 2020 #39

yep a whole Party and cult base of chickens and llashram Sep 2020 #37

If You Sit This Election Out Because You Wanted Someone Else COL Mustard Sep 2020 #38

Obama should have done a recess appointment of Merrick Garland dlk Sep 2020 #40

The Senate was never in recess bpj62 Sep 2020 #42

I think there was a recess in May that year dlk Sep 2020 #56

There hasn't been a true "recess appointment" that was sustained by the courts since 2006 BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #61

I see I'm late to the party, so I'll just note that there are those who'd rather quibble over... Hekate Sep 2020 #44

It's informative, I think. MineralMan Sep 2020 #55

tRumpism Lock him up. Sep 2020 #45

I will remember 'til the day I die, they have no grounds to stand on. I feel like the day after of LizBeth Sep 2020 #47

I mean, title is true but the rest is antifactual quakerboy Sep 2020 #58

That's interesting. I remember hearing that about the center once but never saw the figures. Autumn Sep 2020 #79

It is about survival now..................that's is what is at stake............... turbinetree Sep 2020 #63

Vote Blue to save our democracy. Joinfortmill Sep 2020 #64

And let's remember not to tell lefties to eff-off as if we don't need them as we've done in the past aikoaiko Sep 2020 #65

If we are forced to, our party can move to the middle in order to win and the left will have even Demsrule86 Sep 2020 #76

I'm sure you're strategy will work better this time. aikoaiko Sep 2020 #84

You won't have to worry COVID 19 will most likely yuiyoshida Sep 2020 #68

Too many people think one election solves everything. RandySF Sep 2020 #69

how quickly they forget about the kerry -edwrads campaign and the AllaN01Bear Sep 2020 #77

Bobby Boushay fescuerescue Sep 2020 #78

I understand this sentement BUT TheFarseer Sep 2020 #80

Your point is not made. MineralMan Sep 2020 #81

This is the only post-election article I could find quickly TheFarseer Sep 2020 #82

In the end, none of that matters. MineralMan Sep 2020 #85

Yes! Totally agree! nt TheFarseer Sep 2020 #86

Bill Clinton used a short term strategy. chriscan64 Sep 2020 #83