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Mike 03

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1. I'm agnostic on this. But enough smart people are concerned about it that I'm not going

Mon Aug 10, 2020, 12:29 PM

Aug 2020

to be the first in line. As I've written before, I'd take a W.H.O., European or Israeli or Canadian vaccine in a second. But when has Trump ever presided over something that succeeded?

Scientists Worry About Political Influence Over Coronavirus Vaccine Project

Operation Warp Speed has moved along at a rapid clip. But some people involved in the process fear pressure to deliver an October surprise for President Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine.html

Also, it's not really a distrust of scientists driving this concern; it's a distrust of the FDA under Trump. This isn't the old FDA. It's Trump's FDA.

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Stop saying (or believing) that virologists are going to push an unsafe, ineffective vaccine. [View all] Aristus Aug 2020 OP

I'm agnostic on this. But enough smart people are concerned about it that I'm not going Mike 03 Aug 2020 #1

I don't know what 'concerned' smart people you're talking about. Aristus Aug 2020 #7

You might read the article. The "concerned" smart people are in it. Mike 03 Aug 2020 #10

Dr. Offit is admitting that people are going to be pressured to rush a vaccine. Aristus Aug 2020 #30

I don't think for one minute that a scientist of any kind would do that. redstatebluegirl Aug 2020 #2

Normally vaccine development and testing takes years. LisaL Aug 2020 #3

It's not. Aristus Aug 2020 #8

Wait until it is recommended by a reputable medical organization dalton99a Aug 2020 #4

Exactly. Aristus Aug 2020 #9

Who are the people that you are speaking to? SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #5

I'm a Physician Assistant working in Primary Care. Aristus Aug 2020 #11

I have been here a LONG time as a reader. SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #14

It's a small, but very vocal, group. Aristus Aug 2020 #20

Again I haven't seen that. I will take your word for it. SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #21

The last time a vaccine 'slipped through' the vetting process was in the 1970's. Aristus Aug 2020 #24

Actually, the last time an ineffective and dangerous vaccine got through PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2020 #37

I suppose they thought a vaccine for it was more trouble than it was worth. Aristus Aug 2020 #39

Probably. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2020 #40

You Can Take Aristus' Word... ProfessorGAC Aug 2020 #42

I can name four of them obamanut2012 Aug 2020 #43

Thank-you. Any vaccine is going to be peered reviewed. Those floating the conspiracy nonesense still_one Aug 2020 #6

HCQ is still being pushed today SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #16

but not by any credible source, and 20% believe Obama is a Muslim and not a citizen also still_one Aug 2020 #17

Depends on what you believe to be credible. SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #18

The medical journals are credible. That's not a matter of 'belief'. Aristus Aug 2020 #22

no but they are rushing. SlogginThroughIt Aug 2020 #23

Do they want a vaccine quickly? yes. Everyone does. Aristus Aug 2020 #26

Some would like to have you believe it is a debate, but it isn't. The data speaks for itself, and still_one Aug 2020 #27

If Trump or Peter Navarro or one of his cronies are pushing it, I'm skeptical (at best) Proud Liberal Dem Aug 2020 #12

Not so long ago, I would have agreed without hesitation gratuitous Aug 2020 #13

If that's your concern, go instead to the medical journals, the compilers of which owe Trump nothing Aristus Aug 2020 #15

Well, sure gratuitous Aug 2020 #36

Having relevant credentials isn't a silver bullet. Birx and Redfield have shown that. RockRaven Aug 2020 #19

Seriously? BooScout Aug 2020 #25

You said it yourself: there are hundreds of questions and concerns being expressed by Aristus Aug 2020 #28

Safe and effective Sgent Aug 2020 #29

Safe and effective aren't value judgements in the testing process. Aristus Aug 2020 #31

I wouldn't have complete faith BGBD Aug 2020 #32

Which is why I advised going with the recommendations of the medical journals. Aristus Aug 2020 #33

Virologists won't push one, but Trump will. Initech Aug 2020 #34

Exactly. Aristus Aug 2020 #35

Given how effectively the CDC has been silenced, PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2020 #38

Not worried about virologist just the Trump admin and their paid shills virologist or not. uponit7771 Aug 2020 #41

Russia is releasing a vaccine this week. Voltaire2 Aug 2020 #44

So what's the difference between Russia and Trump? trump Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2020 #48

My point. Those of us still clinging to some Voltaire2 Aug 2020 #49

Hear, hear. yardwork Aug 2020 #45

Yes, because the "adults in the room" have done such a good job maxrandb Aug 2020 #46

Lost opportunity in my mind that there isn't a mass effort by Dems Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2020 #47