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NurseJackie

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3. When you are a "Karen," that means you've opted-in -- and if it don't apply, let it fly!

Tue Jul 14, 2020, 09:34 AM

Jul 2020

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Okay, I'm gonna need for people who are calling this a slur, and "racial slur" to stop! Okay? When you are a "Karen," that means you've opted-in -- and if it don't apply, let it fly!

But the fact is, if someone is labeling you "Karen," that means you've done something to warrant that label. You're not just sitting there minding your own business. And generally it means that you've stepped into something--into somebody else's business--that you have no business stepping into.

And you've made a spectacle of yourself based on some degree of privilege that you believe that you have. If that applies to you, KAREN, then that applies to you! If it doesn't apply to you, then just let it fly! Why people want to...when people are like "oh, it's the new n-word"... ARE YOU SERIOUS, KAREN?! That is a Karen! Okay?

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Penzeys Spices has no more F***s to give and lets it all hang out [View all] madaboutharry Jul 2020 OP

Meh, they kinda lost the thread on this one. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #1

The Karen meme is ugly misogyny. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #5

... handmade34 Jul 2020 #10

Pointing out the specific racist tactics white women tend to use is not misogyny. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #11

You are wrong. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #17

It's true, the same word can be used in in a misogynistic context as well as a context that is not WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #24

+1 n/t Tommymac Jul 2020 #81

That's the problem. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #127

Well said. mia Jul 2020 #36

Yes, I so agree! LisaM Jul 2020 #105

So disappointing. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #129

Assigning one common name to it despite valid objections, claiming it is gender neutral, ... Hekate Jul 2020 #132

Pretty sure I didn't claim it was gender-neutral? White women play a specific role in white WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #137

It's a valid meme. NT Celerity Jul 2020 #39

"Karen" has become a replacement term for "Bitch" madaboutharry Jul 2020 #45

Fail, see post 22 Celerity Jul 2020 #52

Yes, these threads are very telling. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #54

YOu are wrong, and have zero right to call us faux feminist obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #64

I have the right as a woman and a POC to call it as I see it. NT Celerity Jul 2020 #68

Thank you! Check this out, too... NurseJackie Jul 2020 #108

+100000 Celerity Jul 2020 #110

Central Park Cathy aka Dog-Walking Debby tried to get that man killed & I said that... Hekate Jul 2020 #134

This whole thread is pissing me off. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #130

Nope! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #85

Yes, these threads are telling. It has indeed become synonymous with "Bitch"... Hekate Jul 2020 #133

Lol, no it is not! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #87

Yup, there's no male equivalent and never will or can be obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #61

My name is John, the use of "Karen" is not high on my priority list of modern problems. CCExile Jul 2020 #74

And I'm sure all that guys who go by Bubba or are named Dick ms liberty Jul 2020 #118

100% agree, stupid idea! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #83

Shall we call racist white women Fred? Robert? Harry? George II Jul 2020 #111

How about we call them racists. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #119

Totally disagree. BComplex Jul 2020 #147

The Karen meme is the ultimate irony: cruel stereotyping to label a cruel stereotyper. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #12

Pointing out the specific racist tactics white women tend to use is not a cruel stereotype. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #13

Agreed. So let's use a descriptive label such as "asshole" instead of a name that millions lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #14

But it means something more specific than asshole. PTWB Jul 2020 #19

OK how about "racist asshole?" Or do you have something against everybody named "Karen?" lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #29

That doesn't even make sense. PTWB Jul 2020 #37

Thanks for pointing that out. Use of persons' names as insults is disgusting behavior. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #38

Is it? PTWB Jul 2020 #42

How is that even a question? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #43

Do you think anyone with an alternate name meaning is really that offended? PTWB Jul 2020 #49

"Karen" could end up being the "George Floyd" of the anti-name-shaming movement. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #51

What's wrong with naming and shaming? PTWB Jul 2020 #60

"Naming and Shaming" is about being SPECIFIC Hekate Jul 2020 #135

Exactly! PTWB Jul 2020 #138

You cannot POSSBLY be serious StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #90

It appears that's exactly what happened. PTWB Jul 2020 #109

Get a hold of yourself. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #113

How about all the Barbies and Kens in the world? luvtheGWN Jul 2020 #72

"Karen" is much more descriptive than "asshole." WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #20

"Karen" is actually not descriptive AT ALL. It is a name shared by diverse millions of women, lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #30

No one is "trying to tar" every person named Karen, any more than the term "Peeping Tom" WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #35

Agree chia Jul 2020 #69

Especially Since RobinA Jul 2020 #57

1.4 people with the name Karen in the U.S? pamela Jul 2020 #47

No. It is utterly valid. NT Celerity Jul 2020 #40

Do we want to emulate the behavior of the racist/sexist name-calling assholes we hate so much? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #41

See post 22 Celerity Jul 2020 #53

So that's one "yes" vote. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #55

Exactly. Karen isn't the new b-word. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #50

Tiy are wrong -- it is literally being used as bitch obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #67

No, it's focused on entitlement gollygee Jul 2020 #82

No, it literally is. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #152

If you recognize the picture of that woman gollygee Jul 2020 #153

If you recognize the term below that picture, MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #155

I'm no fan of the b-word gollygee Jul 2020 #156

The point being the context is getting lost. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #158

I saw that post gollygee Jul 2020 #159

It's getting used for "an opinionated woman" too muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #161

Exactly Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #128

It's complicated SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2020 #104

So you think cruelty is okay so long as the recipient is white? Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #139

"So you think cruelty is okay so long as the recipient is white?" WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #141

The OP talked about a woman named Karen Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #142

Oppression is not a competition, but when it comes to white women crying over the misuse of WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #145

Okay, thank you for confirming my point. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #146

The owners need prescriptions for this: Laelth Jul 2020 #2

Omg....... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 secondwind Jul 2020 #9

Damn JustGene Jul 2020 #21

I don't remember "Dammitol." Laelth Jul 2020 #28

My Mom JustGene Jul 2020 #34

I remember an ad for "Dammitol" - might have been Firesign Theater or Dr Demento or SNL. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #31

:-) Blecht Jul 2020 #27

hahahaha chia Jul 2020 #71

When you are a "Karen," that means you've opted-in -- and if it don't apply, let it fly! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #3

+1 n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #4

+1 PunkinPi Jul 2020 #7

Yep. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #8

+1 Jirel Jul 2020 #23

+1 gollygee Jul 2020 #26

IKR? StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #48

Yep irisblue Jul 2020 #96

spot on chia Jul 2020 #73

Lol, ok! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #86

Oh, hello again! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #102

Good one! Are you paid hourly or are you on celery? Let' stalk about it! George II Jul 2020 #112

Yes indeed! Lettuce get together sometime. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #114

Yup, And for cinnamon lovers, if you've not had their Vietnamese cinnamon, you've never had cinnamon hlthe2b Jul 2020 #6

i love Penzey's and have supported them barbtries Jul 2020 #15

See post #17 for why "Karen" is a bad way to identify white racist women. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #18

"Karenism" is being used to target both all white women and all women. Hortensis Jul 2020 #32

Individualism vs. collectivism gollygee Jul 2020 #89

I believe in collective solutions but not concepts of collective guilt, Hortensis Jul 2020 #120

This has nothing to do with guilt gollygee Jul 2020 #121

Through the karenism dynamic. Remember the OP. Hortensis Jul 2020 #123

The Karen meme has nothing to do with collective guilt. nt gollygee Jul 2020 #124

Great addition. I'm reminded of the course I took on the psychology of prejudice and discrimination chia Jul 2020 #125

Got the same email... Heartstrings Jul 2020 #16

Whoever wrote this lost their touch. Jirel Jul 2020 #22

Your Kyle and Chad don't seem to be happening on DU seaglass Jul 2020 #79

+1 Silent3 Jul 2020 #122

Yes, because dog knows DU is definitive for the rest of the billions on the internet Celerity Jul 2020 #136

Ohhh you got me there. seaglass Jul 2020 #143

Penzey's has been standing up for decency for a long time now. Hortensis Jul 2020 #25

I don't know... The "Karen" pushback seems more like a control issue. ecstatic Jul 2020 #33

Loooooooove me some Penzey Spices Baltimike Jul 2020 #44

Instead of talking about systemic racism, let's once again talk about the poor suffering "Karens." StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #46

It is not about poor suffering "Karens" madaboutharry Jul 2020 #56

We can't make any inroads against racism unless we stop centering the comfort of White women gollygee Jul 2020 #58

Perfectly said StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #63

⏫⏫this⏫⏫ irisblue Jul 2020 #98

It's about who we are. Do we want to be the good guys, or do we want to sling sexist labels, lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #59

This whole thread is about the "poor Karens" StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #62

It really isn't about misogyny and sexism. It's about white entitlement behavior chia Jul 2020 #78

+1,000 chia Jul 2020 #77

I've been making large orders Warpy Jul 2020 #65

This morning my wife called me a "dick" padfun Jul 2020 #66

thank you. and when they upsurped my hawiian shirts as a raciest signal, that pissed me royaly off. AllaN01Bear Jul 2020 #70

Have adored Penxey's for many years. We are fortunate here to have, not only PenzetY's, but niyad Jul 2020 #75

And their spices are good. AllyCat Jul 2020 #76

Any white women want to trade lives with a black man for a bit? IronLionZion Jul 2020 #80

Saw a simple solution to this posted on DU elsewhere wcollar Jul 2020 #84

This is not a DU-based meme gollygee Jul 2020 #88

Switching one woman's name for another reveals the hollowness of the anti-Karen-meme argument chia Jul 2020 #91

+1 gollygee Jul 2020 #92

You're assuming the suggestion was made by someone who believes the meme is misogynistic. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #93

I love Penzeys! Great company if you are looking for spices and because they are one of US! flying_wahini Jul 2020 #94

another term would have worked better: Barbie, Ivanka, etc. Not that hard. Evolve Dammit Jul 2020 #95

What is the difference between using those names and using Karen? nt gollygee Jul 2020 #97

Nothing StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #99

It's kinda funny to see Karen countered with another name chia Jul 2020 #103

"This makes me uncomfortable, therefore it is oppression" gollygee Jul 2020 #106

Yes, it makes some white people uncomfortable - and then they double down into full blown Karenness StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #115

Well said! chia Jul 2020 #117

refers to far fewer and those made of plastic Evolve Dammit Jul 2020 #116

"Barbie" is a doll; there can be practically no people with that as their full name muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #154

Why does it matter how common it is? nt gollygee Jul 2020 #157

Because of the number of people who don't have the characteristics that are being disparaged muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #160

I Ingersollman Jul 2020 #100

What Is The Deal? usedtobedemgurl Jul 2020 #101

Bill is a hell of a writer. BobTheSubgenius Jul 2020 #107

the first part is very well said Hamlette Jul 2020 #126

Bill Penzey is completely right. Whatever happened to BBQ Becky & other monikers associated ... Hekate Jul 2020 #131

So... you're saying using any of those other names is different than using Karen? chia Jul 2020 #144

I urge you to read again what I said & have been saying for some time... Hekate Jul 2020 #148

My apologies for not having read your posts often enough to be familiar with what you've been saying chia Jul 2020 #151

This is going to trigger a few people here. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #140

I call those affluent entitled women Muffy. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #149

Biff 'n' Muffy -- doesn't that just say entitlement & prep school & gated community? Hekate Jul 2020 #150