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ancianita

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4. Modern eyes see the inaccuracy of history and change it

Sat Jul 4, 2020, 10:59 AM

Jul 2020

in order to change society toward a better future.

We know these were men of their time, elite men of the Enlightenment who were the "modern eyes" of their time.

If they constituted our nation based on the inaccuracy of their "modern eyes," the truth of our "modern eyes" makes our seeing deserving to be done.

Any fixing of the past deserves to be done.

If the founders were alive today, they'd agree with that.

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75% [View all] ancianita Jul 2020 OP

Their legacy today: All Lives Matter ancianita Jul 2020 #1

I always watch 1776 on July 4 Freddie Jul 2020 #2

And yet they were the best of their time -- disenfranchised slaves, women, and all. ancianita Jul 2020 #5

Jefferson missed Martha greatly, and to deal with his grief... NNadir Jul 2020 #9

looking back on history thru modern eyes is not accurate or deserving to be done beachbumbob Jul 2020 #3

Modern eyes see the inaccuracy of history and change it ancianita Jul 2020 #4

If those coming behind them left things as they did, where... brush Jul 2020 #34

Please adjust your picture for New England representatives bucolic_frolic Jul 2020 #6

Absolutely. My Maine ancestors live on Penobscot land. They've made a peace. How just, I don't know. ancianita Jul 2020 #10

As Paul, quoting Psalms, said to the Romans, "there is no righteous man, not even one". jaxexpat Jul 2020 #13

Ah...but there were slaves in Connecticut... Demsrule86 Jul 2020 #42

Also, many in the NE were involved in the slave trade, even if they did not own any themselves. Coventina Jul 2020 #44

There were also slaves in Massachusetts - until the state constitution went into effect csziggy Jul 2020 #47

There is an important caveat about one of those red dots, however. NNadir Jul 2020 #7

And thank you for your post, particularly the link. I will watch this and spread it around. ancianita Jul 2020 #11

Very Important Post Kid Berwyn Jul 2020 #12

The Union won the war but the traitors won the peace Ponietz Jul 2020 #15

IMO trump is indeed karma. brush Jul 2020 #35

I just watched Robinson. You're onto something with the heuristic malpractice idea. ancianita Jul 2020 #41

I'm very glad you watched it. It is true that European Imperialism was very much... NNadir Jul 2020 #46

Thank you so much. I've learned a lot from you the last few days. ancianita Jul 2020 #48

I watched Hamilton last night, gab13by13 Jul 2020 #8

Totally Agree With the Premise Roy Rolling Jul 2020 #14

And we can operate on two premises at the same time. Smart democracies do that. ancianita Jul 2020 #17

Maybe It's like Covid 19 testing BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #40

And countless white soldiers fought and died so African Americans could be free. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #16

Yes. Yet we still fight the white history revisionists who still think only in zero sum terms. ancianita Jul 2020 #19

What? HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #20

How so? They fought so that slavery would end. It did, but it's taken on new forms of psychological ancianita Jul 2020 #24

Ah, I misunderstood. HotTeaBag Jul 2020 #25

While we at discussing slavery..... Historic NY Jul 2020 #18

You're right. It's been a global problem of history. Still is. How other nations ancianita Jul 2020 #22

Because it didn't start here in 1619 doesn't make it any less evil... brush Jul 2020 #36

As a black man, I look past this for their incredible accomplishments Polybius Jul 2020 #21

I hear you. Yet the seeds were sown, innocently or not. I say not. ancianita Jul 2020 #23

Did they sow seeds or reap the harvest? I would like to put forth a differing viewpoint. cayugafalls Jul 2020 #29

Thank you for your thoughtful post. ancianita Jul 2020 #32

But it was "frowned upon" GarColga Jul 2020 #27

It was frowned upon by many but not most Polybius Jul 2020 #33

They knew it was evil. See post 34. brush Jul 2020 #38

Many of them wanted to abolish slavery, but couldn't because of Southern conservatives... dsharp88 Jul 2020 #26

True. That "good fight" has seen several iterations over 200 years, all of them violent. ancianita Jul 2020 #31

One thing they did right. They made it so the Constitution could be amended. demigoddess Jul 2020 #28

+1000, that is the seeds they sowed. cayugafalls Jul 2020 #30

So true, maybe the most important thing. brush Jul 2020 #39

White Male Landowners 100% JustFiveMoreMinutes Jul 2020 #37

100% is always a setup. ancianita Jul 2020 #45

Crickets...You can see above that not all the signers have red dots, though. Anyway, I looked into ancianita Jul 2020 #49

K&R Jamaal510 Jul 2020 #43