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Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
20. It's the ambiguous binary / non-binary nature of the word
Sat Jun 27, 2020, 08:22 AM
Jun 2020

A word like "defund" can mean either

1) Withdraw all funding of an institution, or

2) Withdraw some funding

My gut reaction on hearing "defund" used widely re police departments some weeks ago was it was to destroy, delete, and dead-end police departments.

And that is despite that I frequently encourage people to avoid binary all-or-nothing thinking. Hoist by my own petard. Or, more accurately, I am not immune to that which I warn against.

It was only a little bit later that someone made it clearer to me that it can mean reducing funding, say by 10%, not eliminating it entirely. A duh moment for me. There is merit, for example, to the idea of sending wellness professionals to do wellness checks instead of sending beefy police with guns and tasers and sunglasses and black boots and all.
re-the use of defund. [View all] mopinko Jun 2020 OP
'Defund' is not a good November Election word. empedocles Jun 2020 #1
This oswaldactedalone Jun 2020 #35
Trump has essentially defunded America in many ways. boston bean Jun 2020 #2
it doesnt mean- zero it out. mopinko Jun 2020 #21
Actually the word defund means exactly that. boston bean Jun 2020 #30
they are defining what they say it means every day. mopinko Jun 2020 #38
Then use words that actually mean what one is saying. boston bean Jun 2020 #40
then give me one. mopinko Jun 2020 #41
Refund and Reform boston bean Jun 2020 #42
one word. mopinko Jun 2020 #44
Then we want a refund. Or we want to refund the allocation. Anything but defund. boston bean Jun 2020 #50
de-escalate ? Pobeka Jun 2020 #66
Refund? tonedevil Jun 2020 #47
Umm. We are the ones wanting the refund due to bad services. boston bean Jun 2020 #49
Is that what you mean... tonedevil Jun 2020 #52
Refund also means reallocation. boston bean Jun 2020 #54
It doesn't... tonedevil Jun 2020 #56
Well, you don't like it. Are you a bad person for thinking it is not the right slogan? boston bean Jun 2020 #59
Thanks for the vote of confidence... tonedevil Jun 2020 #61
I was asked to provide a different word. I did so. boston bean Jun 2020 #63
I understand the problem... tonedevil Jun 2020 #65
Defund means stop giving money to an agency. Nt delisen Jun 2020 #33
it doesnt mean zero out. it doesn't mean abolish. mopinko Jun 2020 #39
Sorry, but I have seen that as the intention from liberals. boston bean Jun 2020 #55
Damn those liberals /nt tonedevil Jun 2020 #57
No not damn them. boston bean Jun 2020 #58
That is part of the problem with the word Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #69
I got a call from a Democratic Precinct Chair LeftInTX Jun 2020 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author ahoysrcsm Jun 2020 #67
Bam. Jirel Jun 2020 #3
thank god someone can hear me. mopinko Jun 2020 #9
Everyone can hear you. We just don't agree with you. Squinch Jun 2020 #13
Defund will lead to Defeat Zeus69 Jun 2020 #4
Yes it will oswaldactedalone Jun 2020 #36
Uhh Zeus69 Jun 2020 #68
Really? oswaldactedalone Jun 2020 #72
Sorry Zeus69 Jul 2020 #73
Throw the baby out with the bath water Evergreen Emerald Jun 2020 #5
well, perhaps you should listen harder, because that isnt what it means. mopinko Jun 2020 #7
And that is "reform" not "defunding" Evergreen Emerald Jun 2020 #11
i did not attack you. and reform means nothing to most people. mopinko Jun 2020 #17
Not all attention is good attention. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2020 #23
it doesnt mean zero out. it doesn't mean abolish. mopinko Jun 2020 #27
Exactly. I think we are both saying the same thing. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2020 #34
it is the word of the people in the streets. we must respect that. mopinko Jun 2020 #37
Defund is definitely not the word to be using. marie999 Jun 2020 #6
yeah. like maybe, get the lefties off the fence who mopinko Jun 2020 #8
Yeah. Both of them. Who, if they aren't voting for Joe now, they never will. Squinch Jun 2020 #12
OK, everyone who yells at me when I say we Democrats need to work on our messaging, I repeat: Squinch Jun 2020 #10
then what's the message? everything is fine. ozzy and harriet will brb? mopinko Jun 2020 #14
You first. Because "defund" is certainly not that word. "Defund" is a word you use when you Squinch Jun 2020 #16
defund is most certainly a word that keeps people's attention. mopinko Jun 2020 #18
Benghazi is a word that keeps people's attention too. So what? Are you going to work that Squinch Jun 2020 #22
well, where is your word? mopinko Jun 2020 #25
Really? I'm trying to have a conversation and you have nothing but this childishness. Squinch Jun 2020 #28
your conversation so far- no, sorry, you are wrong and i am right. mopinko Jun 2020 #29
and benghazi gets attention because of the narrative they attached to it. mopinko Jun 2020 #26
Reagan quote: "If you're explaining, you're losing". nt oasis Jun 2020 #15
you dont have to explain it to the people who are the targets of the violence. mopinko Jun 2020 #19
The "Great Communicator" knew how to win. "Messaging" played oasis Jun 2020 #31
because of who was behind him. period. mopinko Jun 2020 #32
It's the ambiguous binary / non-binary nature of the word Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #20
yeah, nobody means zero it out. mopinko Jun 2020 #24
Yes, too many people mean exactly that. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #70
Defund is a bad word choice. No Democrat elected should use this term. We want to win in Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #43
and this thread right here is why the voices of members of color mopinko Jun 2020 #45
Just because a majority of people disagree with something you say SCantiGOP Jun 2020 #46
Everyone has an opinion, even on the left janterry Jun 2020 #48
Sucks when people disagree. Doesnt mean they arent listening. jmg257 Jun 2020 #51
True that... tonedevil Jun 2020 #53
"Defund" is simplistic...more of a Republicanist word than a Dem one. gulliver Jun 2020 #60
When the rubber hits the road people show what side they're on melman Jun 2020 #62
For the first time in a long time Bettie Jun 2020 #71
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