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wiggs

(7,812 posts)
17. We are faced with many horrifying possibilities, those two among them, because
Tue Jun 23, 2020, 01:34 PM
Jun 2020

the gop is corrupt, cowardly, derelict, sociopathic as a group, and fundamentally undemocratic. And have been for a long time. The country and the world would not be in this position but for their complicity. They are enablers and recognize what they have to do to retain power and it does not involve a fair election process, or an objective DOJ, or a functional senate the way we used to think of them. Oversight is gone, meaning a corrupt incompetent sociopathic president does whatever he wants.

Trust this election? Given no low bar, given the interests of oligarchs all over the world, given 40 years of gop wet dreams, given the enormous power the WH/senate/DOJ wield together...I'm not sure there will be one and if there is it will be such a shit show of false flags, projection, confusion, lawsuits, threats, misinformation and suppression that most people will have no idea what is going on. Like a covid task force meeting on steroids where no one really knows how many people voted, how they voted, and who they voted for. This is a fundamental tool of the gop...misinformation and confusion. Kristol (who has a lot of bad karma to make up for):

You look at the polls and think "he can't win." But Trump's path to victory doesn't depend on persuading Americans. It depends on voter suppression, mass disinformation, foreign interference, and unabashed use of executive branch power to shape events, and perceptions, this fall.


So what are dems, pundits, journalists, and sane goprs doing about it? What can they do about it? Is there a reasonable path and hope that this won't end really, really badly? Lincoln Project is great and dems should have been doing that for years but if voters are their targets then is Kristol correct in saying the gop has a plan that doesn't involve voters?

Back to the GOP: will enough of them step up for democracy, sanity, history, the 99.9%, and principles? Or will just one or two? Seems to be in their hands, IMHO. We need to go en mass to the polls and vote like everything depends on it but I think we need a bit more than that too.
Seems Reasonable, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #1
do we want to transition with these people? rampartc Jun 2020 #2
It would be full of crap. Biden will need to pick up the pieces and move forward. RKP5637 Jun 2020 #4
Yep, quite probable! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2020 #3
Mail in ballots are counted as soon as received central scrutinizer Jun 2020 #5
Oregon has the advantage of having done this for a long while. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #7
I've always had a problem with the rush to call races central scrutinizer Jun 2020 #10
Different perspective here. If, trump doing poorly before the Election, and 'serious crimes', [in empedocles Jun 2020 #6
Very plausible scenario. Thanks for posting. n/t LuckyCharms Jun 2020 #8
+1 llmart Jun 2020 #9
I Wouldn't Believe Anything Trump's Admin Would Say Or Turn Over In Such A Transition Anyway....nt global1 Jun 2020 #11
Biden needs to assemble his cabinet right now. MoonRiver Jun 2020 #12
"I think he will pull off the transition just fine." A HERETIC I AM Jun 2020 #16
Whenever we talk about what Trump might do... hvn_nbr_2 Jun 2020 #13
Who will do the arresting? A HERETIC I AM Jun 2020 #15
Sounds about right. treestar Jun 2020 #14
We are faced with many horrifying possibilities, those two among them, because wiggs Jun 2020 #17
Your narrative looks very reasonable... God help us if it is at all close on November 4 jimlup Jun 2020 #18
Kicking? nt Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2020 #19
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