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PandoraAwakened

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135. What You Need to Understand About AOC Bashers
Wed Jun 17, 2020, 02:22 AM
Jun 2020

You are, of course, correct jaxexpat. However, you're trying to apply a logical premise to answer an emotional bias held by certain posters here, a bias that clouds their judgment such that they cannot even understand the words you've written.

If you find the snarky attitude repeatedly exhibited here toward AOC a tad confounding---on a site that professes a policy of not bashing fellow Democrats---let me help cut through the fog of inconsistency. It's not terribly complex, really, because it comes down to one simple but sad human emotion: JEALOUSY---in this case, a nuanced version best described as "generational jealousy."

Yes, I said it. I went there. Cat's out of the bag now. It's nothing more than petty, generational jealousy. (Cue AOC haters clutching pearls in "righteous indignation"...gasp!)

Anyone who has read posts here for at least the past couple years knows that it's always the same small group of self-proclaimed "elders" who get on their hypocritical high horses whenever someone dares to speak of AOC...Oh, the horror, Bertha bolt the door!

For these folks, like a true zombie-eyed Fox auduence, you might as well replace "AOC" with "BOO!" However, what gives away the exact nature of their opposition to AOC as being nothing more than generational jealousy is that they inevitably proffer "age and wisdom" arguments as somehow dispositive.

If you're not sure what I mean by this, think back to the Vietnam War when "age" and "wisdom" were the most commonly cited arguments amongst the elderly against "those damn hippies" who were burning their draft cards and marching in the streets by the thousands. These arguments by older, supposedly "wiser" persons proved to NOT be dispositive in any way to the moral injustice of that illegally propagated war. In other words, that bucket held no water.

Now, reasonable people might ask why in the world old folks who are self-proclaimed Democrats would be so jealous of this person, a duly-elected Democratic member of Congress? Well, it's quite simple, really:

They're jealous that a young woman of color is able to speak to and influence HER OWN GENERATION, including young, white people, in a way that they themselves were personally never able to achieve.

They're jealous that she is able to do this with her generation much more effectively than any of these social justice warriors were ever able to do themselves in 40, 50, 60 years of trying to have an impact on their own Silent Generation.

To the elderly who feel compelled to focus their generational jealousy on AOC, I say the following:

Thank you for your service if you protested Nixon and the Vietnam War. In particular, thank you for not listening to the elders of that time with their bullshit "age and wisdom" arguments.

Thank you if you marched for Equal Rights---even if you ultimately dropped the ball by only mustering to the polls 30% to 40% of voters at any given time and thereby failing to consistently elect legislators and jurists that would actually UPHOLD the Civil Rights Acts of 1964, 1968, 1974, & 1988.

Thank you for this patchwork tapestry of legislation---even though you never quite finished the job by getting an Equal Rights Amendment enshrined in the Constitution---you know, an actual solution that wouldn't have left everyone constantly twisting in the wind at the whims of right-wing, nutjob politicians & judges with their systemic mysogyny, homophobia, racism, and xenophobia.

Thank you to the far fewer number of you who spoke out against the Reagan and Bush era atrocities---protestations that, unfortunately, weren't loud enough or effective enough to prevent millions of people from being murdered.

And finally, thank you to the teeny, weeny, tiny number of you who had the courage and the brains to speak up 30 years ago in the name of science about the climate change perils ahead---at a time when it was up to your generation, the ones in power, to implement mitigation measures...yet didn't...and now it is likely too late.

Thank you for all of this and more. We recognize it has been a sincere and heartfelt, albeit imperfect and often ineffective, effort on your part.

Now, it's your turn to recognize and accept that others younger than you have picked up the mantle where you dropped it. It is not your place to shit on those efforts, particularly when most plans center on either fixing what your generation broke or finishing what your generation was incapable of completing.

Time to give up the jealousy ghost. You know, I know, and everyone else knows that it has nothing to do with AOC herself. If not her, it would be some other young nail you'd pound that same old, tired hammer on. So, just let it go. You've given up on other causes many times...trust me, you can just as easily turn away from your jealous AOC bashing.

Once the green dust clears, you'll be amazed at all the things that make so much more sense to you...like why the cartoon of this OP is so hilarious and why jaxexpat's logical words ring so true. See? Simple.

Is She The Only One Who Qualifies For This Me. Jun 2020 #1
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #6
No, but she's definitely qualified to talk about herself and joke about her experience. Iggo Jun 2020 #15
No kidding. demmiblue Jun 2020 #20
Lol. 60 members of the banking committee alone, 34 Democrats, Hortensis Jun 2020 #44
Especially As It Was Done In April 2017 Me. Jun 2020 #63
:) She was still complaining that she Hortensis Jun 2020 #64
What makes her think that's about her? George II Jun 2020 #2
Because she's speaking about her own feelings and Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2020 #5
Because she saw something that resonated with her??? obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #7
Right? When I see a meme that say something like, "Me when my parent... Beartracks Jun 2020 #27
I don't get the AOC hate. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #8
What makes you think of "hate", let's hear your suspicions, okay? George II Jun 2020 #13
whoa up there pardner. jaxexpat Jun 2020 #18
Well said. nt live love laugh Jun 2020 #66
What You Need to Understand About AOC Bashers PandoraAwakened Jun 2020 #135
Excellent commentary. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #138
It's sad that disagreement with select Democratic politicians is invariably characterized as "hate". George II Jun 2020 #143
I got it. Had to turn down my hearing aid though. jaxexpat Jun 2020 #147
Strange that you respond to perceived disrespect for young people with a screed pretty StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #148
Yes, it's like we have an expiration date, after which we're useless in the real world.... George II Jun 2020 #152
I agree Gothmog Jun 2020 #153
Please explain EXACTLY what is it that people are supposed to be jealous of... NurseJackie Jun 2020 #154
As an unknown in 2018 she unseated Joe Crowley, a powerful 20 year Democratic Representative jalan48 Jun 2020 #19
Emphasizing the "she" part of it. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #24
The misogyny that you detect is real jcgoldie Jun 2020 #32
Oh its definitely misogyny and sneering condescension Arazi Jun 2020 #33
I am sure glad that misogyny wasn't expressed against Hillary by some of the same folks who still_one Jun 2020 #71
+10000000 betsuni Jun 2020 #79
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #125
Why would anyone not support the Democratic nominee against Trump? betsuni Jun 2020 #140
This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sheshe2 Jun 2020 #130
I get a huge whiff of "She got too uppity" Sympthsical Jun 2020 #36
Yes. That too. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #37
I wonder how many of the "same people" who made actual vile, sexist slurs against Hillary, are the still_one Jun 2020 #72
+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #94
The "resentment" of which you speak is from her constituents, mostly because.... George II Jun 2020 #109
Then she'll be elected out Sympthsical Jun 2020 #150
Misogyny, ageism, and even some racism, at times. nt. Mariana Jun 2020 #52
Her detractors are not all full blown racists and misogynists PTWB Jun 2020 #53
This. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #54
See my long commentary above. PandoraAwakened Jun 2020 #136
So are you saying anyone on DU who doesn't care for Rep Ocasio-Cortez, is a racist and misogynist? still_one Jun 2020 #77
My post is quite clear. PTWB Jun 2020 #80
Those on DU who aren't fans of hers, it has NOTHING to do with her gender or racial still_one Jun 2020 #85
Absolutely. PTWB Jun 2020 #113
Good, then we are on the same page. There is nothing in Ocasio-Cortez's tweet that still_one Jun 2020 #116
It appears to me that most here who have issues with AOC also have issues with Sanders. Kaleva Jun 2020 #86
You nailed it. Representative Ocasio-Cortez makes no bones about her negative feelings toward what still_one Jun 2020 #87
I very much agree with what you said in your last paragraph. Kaleva Jun 2020 #128
I think most of us are on the same page regardless of the sparing that goes on from time to time still_one Jun 2020 #129
How many of her detractors have you come across or know? Badrun Khan and Michelle Caruso-Cabrera... George II Jun 2020 #103
+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #105
Are you familiar with the difference between "most" and "all?" PTWB Jun 2020 #112
Indeed I do. So how many do you include in that "most"? George II Jun 2020 #115
I include the people who take issue with AOC because PTWB Jun 2020 #117
That's "most" I presume? As I pointed out elsewhere, four of her most prominent "detractors".... George II Jun 2020 #119
Are you suggesting that this is the type of website where.. PTWB Jun 2020 #122
"AOC isn't perfect. No one is." betsuni Jun 2020 #120
I don't know why people take issue with facts. PTWB Jun 2020 #121
LOL so what? betsuni Jun 2020 #141
LOL PTWB Jun 2020 #142
It's actually "generational jealousy" PandoraAwakened Jun 2020 #137
"I said not all of her detractors are racist misogynists, but most are." betsuni Jun 2020 #118
No Democrat "despises" the Democratic Party. PTWB Jun 2020 #123
LOL betsuni Jun 2020 #139
Most? Is this based on... reACTIONary Jun 2020 #126
As in, "there are fine people....on both sides", doesn't it? George II Jun 2020 #144
LOL still_one Jun 2020 #146
No, they are Democrats who don't treestar Jun 2020 #98
+1 betsuni Jun 2020 #102
It's more than a whiff Bettie Jun 2020 #57
In reverse. sheshe2 Jun 2020 #131
Does that make it OK to go after Bettie Jun 2020 #132
Did Nancy say that? sheshe2 Jun 2020 #133
I was never talking about Nancy Bettie Jun 2020 #134
+100000 Celerity Jun 2020 #35
Come out and say rather than just imply treestar Jun 2020 #97
Neither do I. Marrah_Goodman Jun 2020 #145
You have never seen a cartoon and thought "Yep, That's me" irisblue Jun 2020 #10
No. George II Jun 2020 #12
That's.... kinda sad George irisblue Jun 2020 #17
That's different from your first question. But this cartoon is about being hired into a company.... George II Jun 2020 #21
It is an extrapolation of a life experience that many women have faced irisblue Jun 2020 #25
The fact is that drawing (not photograph) is about 3 years old.... George II Jun 2020 #26
That is quite a stretch statement there, enjoy your afternoon irisblue Jun 2020 #28
Huh? It's sorta like a meme. Here's an example. Beartracks Jun 2020 #29
You're being awfully literal. She's speaking of it as a metaphor. thesquanderer Jun 2020 #30
It resonates in her attitude toward a committee of which Hortensis Jun 2020 #31
SO you are saying that... jcgoldie Jun 2020 #34
No, but her wellwishers should hope she doesn't really believe that. Hortensis Jun 2020 #39
As an aside, Carolyn Maloney's district is where the Amazon development... George II Jun 2020 #43
Bet Maloney was just thrilled at losing Amazon. How many of the Hortensis Jun 2020 #45
This is a great reply, Hortensis! NurseJackie Jun 2020 #155
re: "She sees herself as battling Republicans alone?" thesquanderer Jun 2020 #55
Over 79% of AOC's fundraising came from small donors. Her primary opponent is funded by Trumpers Arazi Jun 2020 #38
Why are you bashing a Democratic candidate in next week's Democratic primary? George II Jun 2020 #41
"80% of her itemized contributions came from out of state, Hortensis Jun 2020 #46
Link please Arazi Jun 2020 #50
Wow You Are Really On This Me. Jun 2020 #65
You'd think someone who said "It's called having standards for your conduct to not be funded betsuni Jun 2020 #89
Yes. Outside money is by definition special interest money. Hortensis Jun 2020 #90
Anecdotes are useless. Prove it please. Also I'd like to see your link on her donations Arazi Jun 2020 #49
No, my experience of growing up in Queens and connections with family and friends in Queens.... George II Jun 2020 #51
Go read the reports from watchdog groups yourself. This is too Hortensis Jun 2020 #56
Is it not about every woman constantly being made to justify ramen Jun 2020 #22
that is exactly what it is obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #47
Yes, that is exactly what it is Bettie Jun 2020 #58
Apparently there's "male privilege" too. nt live love laugh Jun 2020 #67
1. No. 2. Really? 3. No, very much to the contrary. How is Hortensis Jun 2020 #68
When you say "1. No" , ramen Jun 2020 #70
She is a member of Congress treestar Jun 2020 #99
I hadn't considered that pointing out male domination is a sign of weakness. ramen Jun 2020 #104
Maybe pointing out male domination is a weakness treestar Jun 2020 #124
I may see more clearly where you are headed now. ramen Jun 2020 #127
It is about her and many others. Too bad you can't understand her position. That's the main problem TeamPooka Jun 2020 #83
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #91
⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Jun 2020 #3
+1. Need to check on her bill to force FEMA to help Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2020 #4
Strong Democratic women (especially of color like AOC) make Republicans uncomfortable. PTWB Jun 2020 #9
Nah, not at all. Democrats who arent fans of her, it has nothing to do with her gender or Eliot Rosewater Jun 2020 #60
Exactly. still_one Jun 2020 #84
Yup. Hortensis Jun 2020 #88
Exactly! treestar Jun 2020 #101
Inconsistent with the cartoon then treestar Jun 2020 #100
I feel you AOC. Keep up the good fight. nt iluvtennis Jun 2020 #11
She is one tough cookie. BarbD Jun 2020 #14
I find it odd Lulu KC Jun 2020 #16
It's the same "AOC should sit down and shut up" crowd, chirping her in every single AOC thread SaintLouisBlues Jun 2020 #40
Nobody said that, not even Nancy Pelosi whom she accused of telling her that last year. George II Jun 2020 #48
One has to wonder how many of the "same people" who made actual vile, sexist slurs against Hillary still_one Jun 2020 #73
Post removed Post removed Jun 2020 #74
what about posts like this? still_one Jun 2020 #75
Can't quite follow this Lulu KC Jun 2020 #106
Definitely not you Lulu. I agree with your post. My issue is those that seem to infer still_one Jun 2020 #110
Got it Lulu KC Jun 2020 #111
If that tweet came from someone else, I suspect the detractors would have no problem still_one Jun 2020 #114
Honestly, I suspect that every woman who has been in a meeting with a bunch of men Bettie Jun 2020 #59
+1 n/t Lulu KC Jun 2020 #62
I cant see the majority of the replies to this post ibegurpard Jun 2020 #61
22 out of 80 comments i can see questionseverything Jun 2020 #81
24 out of 91 for me. n/t demmiblue Jun 2020 #92
Just added another one, so 25 out of 150. n/t demmiblue Jun 2020 #151
Oh, my. I didn't consider that and had to count. theaocp Jun 2020 #107
Nancy Pelosi is the Speaker of the House! treestar Jun 2020 #96
Love it. All the guys. zentrum Jun 2020 #23
great tweet by AOC Celerity Jun 2020 #42
Kick burrowowl Jun 2020 #69
I have no criticism with her tweet, or her personification of the sexism exhibited in it still_one Jun 2020 #76
The comments in this thread tiredtoo Jun 2020 #78
+100000 Celerity Jun 2020 #82
+1 jalan48 Jun 2020 #149
This fucking thread. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #93
Are any of those committees entirely Republican? treestar Jun 2020 #95
AOC's clap-back game is epic. SKKY Jun 2020 #108
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