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38. There is no doubt that a major reform
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 06:49 PM
Jun 2020

and a better independent oversight process is needed. Better training with the aim to actually help as the focus and a no tolerance policy: One case of excessive force and you are out. You don't stop another cop or speak up when he kicks the shit out of someone or even worse, you are out.

Agree tman Jun 2020 #1
Fund Peace Officers MacKasey Jun 2020 #2
YES! PEACE OFFICERS! raging moderate Jun 2020 #4
So a name change? Better be more than that. Odoreida Jun 2020 #17
Unfortunately, they haven't lived up to that name lately. progressoid Jun 2020 #25
Ooh, I like.... nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2020 #10
More hand wringing over messaging instead of fixing police violence SoonerPride Jun 2020 #3
You won't get what you want if concede the narrative out of the gate. Thomas Hurt Jun 2020 #5
We won't get what we want if we protest peacefully. Or riot. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #9
So OBVIOUS! empedocles Jun 2020 #11
No. It is demeaning and paternalistic SoonerPride Jun 2020 #14
Also, you won't get what you want if you sanctimoniously lecture others LanternWaste Jun 2020 #23
To fix a problem you need popular support. jg10003 Jun 2020 #6
The OP is correct. Why give repugs the ammo that Dems... brush Jun 2020 #8
It doesn't matter. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #12
Ok, miss pessimist. Why don't you just say trump will win in Nov... brush Jun 2020 #18
I'm saying DEFUND THE POLICE are the words of black activists SoonerPride Jun 2020 #19
Wrong again. I'm black and "defund the police" is possibly the... brush Jun 2020 #22
Black activitists need to work together with their non-black allies to get this done coti Jun 2020 #27
Yeah, the pearls clutching over this is very telling. intheflow Jun 2020 #35
It's the same message the RIGHT WING says about guns SoonerPride Jun 2020 #41
It's not hand wringing - the Rethugs renamed the "estate tax" the "death tax" AdamGG Jun 2020 #58
It's not a matter of wringing hands peggysue2 Jun 2020 #69
Totally agree. CrispyQ Jun 2020 #7
'Activists' anger/arrogance empedocles Jun 2020 #13
I agree that defunding is poor terminology, but 'activists' have every right to be angry. marmar Jun 2020 #36
I agree with the right to be angry, but the 'poor terminology' has disastrous empedocles Jun 2020 #43
Ah, you don't like that slogan gratuitous Jun 2020 #15
That conversation is not going to happen with the other side. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #31
It doesn't even happen on our side. /nt tonedevil Jun 2020 #45
There's still hope there - Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #47
There is no doubt that a major reform Hav Jun 2020 #38
It seems to have worked on the Minneapolis City Council. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #16
Not in reality. mzmolly Jun 2020 #21
No one of note is using that slogan. In fact, the only people I see using it consistently... LanternWaste Jun 2020 #20
Yes we can grantcart Jun 2020 #24
It should be REBOOT THE POLICE budkin Jun 2020 #26
True, "reform the police" speaks to public sentiment. "defund the police" scares people. jg10003 Jun 2020 #28
I heard the "defund" language was amplified by Russian bots on twitter budkin Jun 2020 #29
Police reforms have not come through. intheflow Jun 2020 #37
Exactly! 💯 SoonerPride Jun 2020 #42
The only people it scares are those who Bettie Jun 2020 #44
Dump that expression. Now. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2020 #30
defund is only okay when it involves the post office, amtrak, education, infrastructure, etc. tenderfoot Jun 2020 #32
Those are called tax cuts! intheflow Jun 2020 #39
I agree and the objective will be refined brokephibroke Jun 2020 #33
Agreed! Trump is already saying "disband" to distort. R B Garr Jun 2020 #34
'Police The Police!' Is the Best Choice, Sir The Magistrate Jun 2020 #40
Apples and Oranges. It's not Biden's slogan. Your examples are pres. campaign slogans... blitzen Jun 2020 #46
Maybe it would be a better slogan to "Abolish Qualified Immunity." alwaysinasnit Jun 2020 #48
All the slogans you posted are Propaganda and mean nothing peoli Jun 2020 #49
beat me to it.... Locrian Jun 2020 #70
Realistically DENVERPOPS Jun 2020 #50
I agree 100%. "Defund the police" is a messaging gift to the GOP. Raven123 Jun 2020 #51
Agree. hay rick Jun 2020 #60
"The Police Must Serve The Public." Grokenstein Jun 2020 #52
I agree defund the police is not an effective slogan - and may even be harmful. Ms. Toad Jun 2020 #67
Suggest replacing "Defund the Police" with "Let Looters Loot." hay rick Jun 2020 #53
Enable neighbourhood managed security Layzeebeaver Jun 2020 #54
We need to promote Public Safety BlueIdaho Jun 2020 #55
The slogan is objectively bad...whatever the definition of "defund" is Dopers_Greed Jun 2020 #56
"Restructure with more enhanced social service programs" would be my suggestion......nt Heartstrings Jun 2020 #57
So many other words that could be used Dopers_Greed Jun 2020 #59
Why are Police not monitored like IT help desk or 911 operators? BrightKnight Jun 2020 #61
Protest Etiquette for White Folks... TomVilmer Jun 2020 #62
It is not the same but white people fear police too. BrightKnight Jun 2020 #63
I agree. Who decides these things? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2020 #64
concern noted obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #65
It's actually good melman Jun 2020 #66
Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command. aidbo Jun 2020 #68
Reform The Police! OverBurn Jun 2020 #71
I would like to see a broader term, something along the lines of logosoco Jun 2020 #72
Most police departments seem to be awash with money that needs spending. Aussie105 Jun 2020 #73
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