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betsuni

(25,122 posts)
46. Well, I still don't understand the idea that Democrats are bad at messaging.
Sat Apr 25, 2020, 02:39 AM
Apr 2020

Because Republicans know what Democrats stand for. Obama was going to involve the government in health care with "Obamacare" (as the Clintons did in the '90s). They want to redistribute the wealth, raise taxes (that was a big omg-Obama-is-a-socialist thing). Carter put solar panels on the White House, Al Gore was obsessed with global warming (and constantly talked about Social Security and "locked box" ), Obama made us use more energy efficient light bulbs and Michelle wanted us to eat vegetables and exercise. They regulate businesses and financial institutions. Big government.

Health care, equality, environmentalism, regulation, keeping social safety nets. Why doesn't everyone know these are Democratic issues when Republicans do? This is a mystery to me. The Republican Party gets people to vote against their own interests by using emotional wedge issues. Democrats can't do that because those wedge issues are lies.

Partisan Republicans and Democrats will vote for whoever's on the ballot. I blame the fact that so many Americans are politiphobes and won't educate themselves, and more people are susceptible to conspiracy theories.

Jonathan Rauch: "Between 25 and 40 percent of Americans ... have a severely distorted view of how government and politics are supposed to work. ... They see the contentious give-and-take of politics as unnecessary and distasteful. Specifically, they believe that obvious, commonsense solutions to the country's problems are out there for the plucking. The reason these obvious solutions are not enacted is that politicians are corrupt, or self-interested, or addicted to unnecessary partisan feuding."

Kim Kardashian supported Hillary Clinton in 2016 but after talking to her step-father, a Republican, had second thoughts and was reported in the press as being on the fence. What she did was actually take the time to look at the policies of both parties and decided the Democratic one was obviously the choice for her. If Kim can do this, no excuse for anyone else with access to a computer for thirty minutes not to.

That's a lot to do with it, but not everything. Rush hated anything to do with the left. rusty quoin Apr 2020 #1
The deeply ingrained impetus of racism misanthrope Apr 2020 #3
+1 happy feet Apr 2020 #25
I agree. murielm99 Apr 2020 #29
Trump used racism from the start misanthrope Apr 2020 #35
+1 progressoid Apr 2020 #30
Proving the OPs point. Solomon Apr 2020 #34
exactly JI7 Apr 2020 #54
+1 H2O Man Apr 2020 #70
they were already bigots. Obama didn't make them that way JI7 Apr 2020 #53
Yes, sadly this is their unifying cause SheltieLover Apr 2020 #2
K&R UTUSN Apr 2020 #4
Thanks, Obama jberryhill Apr 2020 #5
Yes there is a lot of truth to that logic Under The Radar Apr 2020 #6
What do you mean by "lack of messaging"? betsuni Apr 2020 #9
I'll Try ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #33
Well, I still don't understand the idea that Democrats are bad at messaging. betsuni Apr 2020 #46
You Answered Your Own Question, B! ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #48
Selling fear works more effectively than selling contentment and comfort lunatica Apr 2020 #51
Then Sell A Different Fear ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #55
If the fear is about something real and present lunatica Apr 2020 #57
Hardly What I Said ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #58
I wasn't repeating what you said lunatica Apr 2020 #59
Sorry, I Misinterpreted ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #60
OK lunatica Apr 2020 #61
Mostly agree Cosmocat Apr 2020 #69
In 2008 the balance of party identification among whites was about evenly divided. betsuni Apr 2020 #7
It is a big % of the Venn Mopar151 Apr 2020 #8
he was president Skittles Apr 2020 #10
"They" did not elevate and empower McConnell and Trump. The people who directed the whole Ford_Prefect Apr 2020 #11
ANY of the GOP candidates would have been better than Trump Skittles Apr 2020 #13
They may not have been as egregiously inhumane and wreckless as Trump. Any one of them would Ford_Prefect Apr 2020 #17
misogyny plus racism equals Pandemic. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2020 #12
I'll go with that Skittles Apr 2020 #14
I agree with Skittles. love_katz Apr 2020 #18
Hillary was the most qualified person ever to run for president Skittles Apr 2020 #19
And the misogyny and sexism have not stopped. love_katz Apr 2020 #21
It took eight years to reach full boil misanthrope Apr 2020 #36
the recession helped Obama . and he ran against JI7 Apr 2020 #56
Yes... exactly... any competent D would have won in 2008...nt Blasphemer Apr 2020 #64
Yup, I see comments on things which aren't exactly political from bitter Trump supporters JI7 Apr 2020 #15
It is worth remembering that we elected Obama twice. Well done, us. It took a huge effort... Hekate Apr 2020 #16
THIS love_katz Apr 2020 #20
+1 betsuni Apr 2020 #22
Well said. nt crickets Apr 2020 #28
Even worse, the African-American POTUS was successful and respected around the world. keithbvadu2 Apr 2020 #23
On several occasions I've heard and seen "WE had to suffer for eight years under Obama." Goodheart Apr 2020 #24
This. Books_Tea_Alone Apr 2020 #26
I always thought as much. n/t. NNadir Apr 2020 #27
Yep! OldBaldy1701E Apr 2020 #31
What I have always thought. kairos12 Apr 2020 #32
Yep! RWers got angry and motivated, LWers got complacent... Wounded Bear Apr 2020 #37
I agree larwdem Apr 2020 #63
kick. zentrum Apr 2020 #38
Well said. TrishaJ Apr 2020 #39
"They" were after Hillary Clinton for years before Obama. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #40
i have a conservative epal who only ingests propaganda + is close minded about the moron + pansypoo53219 Apr 2020 #41
"MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN" moondust Apr 2020 #42
so many are also unwilling to admit lambchopp59 Apr 2020 #43
That is part of it Dopers_Greed Apr 2020 #44
Fox News fueled a lot of this hysteria. Initech Apr 2020 #45
Don't forget - Hillary won the popular vote by 3,000,000 votes dem in texas Apr 2020 #47
Selfishness is a big part of it also. Hotler Apr 2020 #49
I take issue with the notion that it was "America's reaction." It was the reaction of a basket of Nitram Apr 2020 #50
Sadly you are right Catch2.2 Apr 2020 #52
Sadly... this has been my mantra as well. n/t JustFiveMoreMinutes Apr 2020 #62
Speaking truth to power... K&R... nt Blasphemer Apr 2020 #65
I Tend To Agree, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #66
In addition Spiggitzfan Apr 2020 #67
We still are in a Civil War....the shooting stoped, but not the war ashredux Apr 2020 #68
The OP makes some valid points, but I think Mr.Bill Apr 2020 #71
If that was the case, Obama would've lost in '12. oldsoftie Apr 2020 #72
America was built upon labor theft. McCamy Taylor Apr 2020 #73
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2020 #74
Agree Frances Apr 2020 #75
Sadly, I must agree with you. PatrickforO Apr 2020 #76
Reactionaries gonna react sandensea Apr 2020 #77
It doesn't have to be "outrage" misanthrope Apr 2020 #78
At this point in time, it's a runaway horse. no_hypocrisy Apr 2020 #79
Sorry, disagree brooklynite Apr 2020 #80
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