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Hekate

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48. Trump can't see past tomorrow's TV ratings anymore. Putin is the brains in the story....
Sat Apr 18, 2020, 03:12 PM
Apr 2020

Trump never had a political grand plan, because he's not a politician. He is what he always has been: a rich kid who used Daddy's money to get his start, a failed businessman (bankrupt over and over), a huckster, a con man. He has not got a clue about how government works and why we have government. He thinks everything is a crooked business deal -- hence Ukraine.

Many powerful Republicans saw him for what he was, but thought they could control the monster and get more of what they wanted: power and money. Mitch McConnell is one.

Putin, otoh, plans to break apart Western democratic alliances. Think about that. NATO, Paris Climate Accord, European Union -- everything that statesmen sweated to achieve: stability and peace from 1946 onward, everything we hoped & prayed for when we thought our world might be blown to atoms in WW III. Every POTUS from FDR and Truman to Barack Obama.

To Trump, they are obstacles to "deals" where he can play one against the other for personal monetary gain -- he even thought NATO was a trade alliance. He is a very stupid and ignorant man. Putin is neither stupid nor ignorant.

To Putin, all those Western democratic states and their alliances are reminders that the glory days of the USSR as a feared and powerful empire are over, and he wants the power and the glory back. As long as the US and the European Union remain united, he can't get what he wants. If he can find the right cracks and drive wedges in, it all falls apart into separate squabbling nations without the power they/we have now.

Putin had a hand in Brexit. He has had a hand in agitation to break apart the EU. We know he had a hand in making sure Hillary Clinton did not become president and that Donald Trump did.

Breaking apart the US isn't Trump's fantasy -- he hasn't got the imagination. Becoming an actual dictator -- all Trump wants is the big parade and constant adulation, and whoever can give him that, well...

But every time someone here at DU fantasizes about breaking America apart into several nations, or breaking California apart into several states, or feverishly claims they's just doing a thought-experiment about a military coup to get rid of Trump (I remember similar about Dubya), I really wonder if they have thought this through.

And if they have not thought it through, Putin definitely has. It would be the end of us as a republic, the end of us as an international power.





What the hell is wrong with some people who call themselves liberals? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #1
It's not unheard of rpannier Apr 2020 #39
Please add my "Hell no!" to yours. NT Atticus Apr 2020 #2
I've been wondering what people think about this, too. jkirch Apr 2020 #3
Ay Caramba jberryhill Apr 2020 #4
On parle l'anglais aux Etats Unis, Monsieur. guillaumeb Apr 2020 #13
No way. Turin_C3PO Apr 2020 #5
I've seen it from a few zombie accounts RandiFan1290 Apr 2020 #6
The topic recurs at moments of great national stress, & is antithetical to everything DU stands for Hekate Apr 2020 #30
Yep the trolls are still here Andy823 Apr 2020 #7
Oh yes. cwydro Apr 2020 #40
This is stupid Miguelito Loveless Apr 2020 #8
Supposedly it is in the Constitution... sarisataka Apr 2020 #9
Emotional reactions to the christofascist agenda and touting fascist means to an end...not good. Thomas Hurt Apr 2020 #10
I am with you. redstatebluegirl Apr 2020 #11
What could possibly go wrong? guillaumeb Apr 2020 #12
Just say NO to military coups. Solly Mack Apr 2020 #14
There are four sheriffs refusing to do duty in Michigan in the no gathering/no protest dilemma. LizBeth Apr 2020 #15
I'm having trouble understanding the logic of Trump vs a coup. procon Apr 2020 #16
We already have the power to end Trump's unPresidency VMA131Marine Apr 2020 #17
Nope kurtcagle Apr 2020 #18
Excellent time to find a way to criticize...checks notes... greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #19
Read the TOS, and by all means avail yourself of the Alert Abuse button if you think... Hekate Apr 2020 #22
Oh, I made no suggestion that you'd broken any rule greenjar_01 Apr 2020 #24
Of course you didn't. Dear me. For my rationale, see post #48. As for "criticizing DUers" ... Hekate Apr 2020 #51
Oh hell no ornotna Apr 2020 #20
This veteran tazkcmo Apr 2020 #21
I bet the generals and admirals are talking right now, though. roamer65 Apr 2020 #23
Well, I'm sorry to have this opinion EndlessWire Apr 2020 #32
Why sorry? roamer65 Apr 2020 #41
It's usually the same ones too. cwydro Apr 2020 #25
I'm not pro-coup, but... ExciteBike66 Apr 2020 #26
The armed forces are heavily minorities now. Right around 40 pct. roamer65 Apr 2020 #29
yea but it would be different this time fescuerescue Apr 2020 #27
My only wish is the military stay out of it MyNameGoesHere Apr 2020 #28
It's a terrible idea. But what happens if some states get "liberated"... First Speaker Apr 2020 #31
Each state has a governor who controls the National Guard in their state. Caliman73 Apr 2020 #47
I feel like these are often the same types that want to discourage Voting in Elections JI7 Apr 2020 #33
A military coup is not in anyway the answer to stopping Trump. UCmeNdc Apr 2020 #34
It just goes to show Dorian Gray Apr 2020 #35
And it won't support their ideology anyway. Caliman73 Apr 2020 #44
I don't see a military coup working here, but Jamastiene Apr 2020 #36
K&R ck4829 Apr 2020 #37
What if Trump is able to win in November and begins to consolidate his power even more? honest.abe Apr 2020 #38
Trump can't see past tomorrow's TV ratings anymore. Putin is the brains in the story.... Hekate Apr 2020 #48
Hell no...to the HELL NO. HAVE THEY LOST THEIR F'ING MINDS? Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #42
My two cents on the subject. Caliman73 Apr 2020 #43
Instead of a military coup, what about disobeying an order? SoonerPride Apr 2020 #45
We also have at least one poster posing as an epidemiologist HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #46
Apparently shooting protestors is en vogue today too... tritsofme Apr 2020 #49
This is the same horseshit I remember hearing in elementary school. ForgedCrank Apr 2020 #50
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