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KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
107. This thread proves how susceptible Americans are to fear and spin.
Sat Mar 28, 2020, 02:59 PM
Mar 2020

First, this should be considered a rumor and nothing more. Statements like this can endanger front-line medical personnel.

Second, it's probably the worst idea I've heard being tossed about at this stage of the outbreak for a number of reasons (most having to do with American culture). If you think masks are hard to come by now...think toilet paper. Where the hell will our medical personnel get masks if every asshole in America hoards a few hundred in their garage (and they will)?

Third, there's little scientific evidence that wearing masks substantially reduces everyday citizen's risks for this novel virus vs careful sanitation, isolation and safe distancing. The problem is that any measure we take can create a false sense of security and most people then become far more careless with the other components of protection.

Fourth, it is known that the virus can be spread in air both by droplets (of a wide variety of size) and by aerosolization which is extremely dangerous in public places and masks available to the public will not stop it (virus particles are sub-micron). In addition, very few public places have HEPA-rated air filtration in their HVAC systems.

Fifth, few Americans are trained on the proper use and handling of particulate masks and are unaware their design is for short term use, typically being disposed of after one work shift or less. Handling of them reduces effectiveness.

My strong suspicion is that Trump's greed-driven people are about to pump this as a magic solution to enable millions of people to go back to work. The net result is that thousand more will die.

I'm expressing these opinions relative to the American public as a whole, including the rich and the poor and the smart and not-so-smart from all regions.


Just My Humble Opinion........

Where are we supposed to get them?! Chiyo-chichi Mar 2020 #1
I made this Protection gear OhNo-Really Mar 2020 #33
Cool😹nt Meowmee Mar 2020 #115
And N95 masks suck balls. You'd really need P100 or R100 masks for oil-based corona. TheBlackAdder Mar 2020 #38
What is "oil based" corona? zonkers Mar 2020 #52
This variant of corona has an oil exterior layer, so oil-filters might have more efficacy. TheBlackAdder Mar 2020 #58
Well, best to snug them on and avoid hugging fellow shoppers then. Hortensis Mar 2020 #60
If anyone swallows the BS coming out DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #82
I've read their healthcare is "skeletal" and often very limited Hortensis Mar 2020 #90
Trump Masks (tm) C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #41
You know he's already filed the Trademark on that! 😂😂😂 TheBlackAdder Mar 2020 #44
Go to Jared! Scarsdale Mar 2020 #62
I'm positive that in the future DENVERPOPS Mar 2020 #112
From Trump Enterprises, of course. LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #70
WTF!!!111!!!! ChiTownDenny Mar 2020 #73
Masks have always been a good idea; they discouraged using them so they would be available... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #102
And we get a mask how??? nt luvs2sing Mar 2020 #2
And where are these masks suppose to come from? madaboutharry Mar 2020 #3
Try eBay for masks. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2020 #7
No offense, I wouldn't trust jack shit on eBay. They sell bogus refrigerator water filters as legit. TheBlackAdder Mar 2020 #48
There are a few good videos on this. liberalmuse Mar 2020 #20
I have a neck gaiter that I started using this week. Will something like that be considered bullwinkle428 Mar 2020 #4
marginally better than nothing, but be very very very careful taking it off & immediately hlthe2b Mar 2020 #6
Sounds like what I've used. NightWatcher Mar 2020 #11
Yes, good idea greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #46
Tight fitting and tight weave, I would think. Lars39 Mar 2020 #21
I use my winter running gaiter OVER a mask greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #42
Will they send us all the masks we need? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #5
Pray tell, where to buy them? dalton99a Mar 2020 #8
My guess is general population is going to be advised to wear homemade masks. LisaL Mar 2020 #28
You meant to say sewing, didn't you. Butterflylady Mar 2020 #89
I have jzola Mar 2020 #64
silly people - you will be able to buy them from the ivanka company store....... getagrip_already Mar 2020 #9
Will they come in fashion colors? Arkansas Granny Mar 2020 #15
If your return address is in a blue state central scrutinizer Mar 2020 #18
Okay...your post made me laugh. MontanaMama Mar 2020 #84
The smallpox scenario 2naSalit Mar 2020 #96
There have been reports of neo-Nazi groups plotting to spit central scrutinizer Mar 2020 #105
Yes, I saw that 2naSalit Mar 2020 #106
For those of you who sew The Blue Flower Mar 2020 #10
they can be washed evilhime Mar 2020 #68
Hell no... cynatnite Mar 2020 #12
You are not going to be able to deprive masks from medical personnel because LisaL Mar 2020 #26
Funny we were told a couple of weeks ago masks did no good. honest.abe Mar 2020 #13
we were told 15 cases dweller Mar 2020 #23
I knew we were lied to. LisaL Mar 2020 #25
+++ still_one Mar 2020 #31
Indeed, I have watched how other countries have reacted and dewsgirl Mar 2020 #27
Here's a post I made Feb. 8 Kaleva Mar 2020 #51
Yes, I would agree with that. honest.abe Mar 2020 #94
Heard that, but it didn't make sense to me that they would do no good ooky Mar 2020 #92
The MAGA branded masks Chainfire Mar 2020 #14
Mmmhmm durablend Mar 2020 #17
Is this just to make the proles think it's safe to go out and mingle The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #16
Excellent point. dalton99a Mar 2020 #19
This. Trump is going to make the CDC say it's safe to go out if you have a mask and open business onecaliberal Mar 2020 #30
Then they better to have enough N95 masks for everybody. LisaL Mar 2020 #32
"Church" is agonizing enough to sit through as it is. ooky Mar 2020 #93
So hospitals are in competition with 327 million bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #22
So what,.. magicarpet Mar 2020 #36
+1 royal virus. That is what he is. bronxiteforever Mar 2020 #49
Yes. Igel Mar 2020 #88
I knew from the start we were given horrible advice to not wear masks. LisaL Mar 2020 #24
They said we were too stupid to figure out how to put it on our faces BusyBeingBest Mar 2020 #45
We didn't wash our hands correctly either, but hand washing was advised anyway. LisaL Mar 2020 #50
I found random packs of painters masks at grocery stores underpants Mar 2020 #29
His Royal Virus wants the cash registers ringing... magicarpet Mar 2020 #34
That was expected. clutterbox1830 Mar 2020 #35
This just exposes how badly trump has screwed up now duforsure Mar 2020 #37
If you have access to masks and haven't been wearing one already, I'm just confused by you greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #39
Why wait 10 days? OrlandoDem2 Mar 2020 #40
The virus can wait dalton99a Mar 2020 #43
ROFL greenjar_01 Mar 2020 #47
Because 10 days from now is right before Easter, when Trump NYC Liberal Mar 2020 #53
We should get our post card Ohiogal Mar 2020 #54
Smart call. It will help - especially if they are N95's. You can buy then on Amazon. c-rational Mar 2020 #55
Have you actually tried to by them off amazon? LisaL Mar 2020 #56
Yes. Ordered about 3 weeks ago. Was told that they would arrive April 1-April 22, but they showed c-rational Mar 2020 #101
What's left on Amazon is overpriced counterfeit garbage dalton99a Mar 2020 #57
Got two brands. One was 3M. 5 N95 masks for $10.99. c-rational Mar 2020 #103
What is the source on this besides this tweet? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2020 #59
Well, crap Bayard Mar 2020 #61
Got mine 6 weeks ago when you could get them for nothing. But you can make your own. ffr Mar 2020 #63
How-to video ffr Mar 2020 #65
And Just Where Are We Going To Get These Masks DallasNE Mar 2020 #66
I ordered some from Amazon, they say July or August. We're Screwed. OverBurn Mar 2020 #67
this is absurd.... Takket Mar 2020 #69
Use your freaking common sense. LisaL Mar 2020 #80
NONE OF THAT is news........... Takket Mar 2020 #83
Presumably because we didn't have enough masks for general population. LisaL Mar 2020 #87
Then each relief check should come in a box of 100 masks WheelWalker Mar 2020 #71
Just in time for Easter! csziggy Mar 2020 #72
Anyone thought of making masks out of Filtrete filter sheets? LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #74
Is this source legit? jeffreyi Mar 2020 #75
No. Just...No Generic Brad Mar 2020 #76
Nobody, I am assuming. LisaL Mar 2020 #78
It's an unenforceable request Generic Brad Mar 2020 #79
It actually might help health care workers if it limits the number of sick patients they have to LisaL Mar 2020 #81
I have been wearing mask whenever I go out Sunsky Mar 2020 #77
The change in the CDC guideline on masks will be linked Chainfire Mar 2020 #85
exactly..... Takket Mar 2020 #91
I question the validity of the tweet. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2020 #86
There is an article in today's NYT that appears to back up the tweet. carlvsam Mar 2020 #95
That much was always obvious to me. LisaL Mar 2020 #97
I do not know what to believe coming from this administration. UCmeNdc Mar 2020 #98
Kick for CDC response: demmiblue Mar 2020 #99
May I ask... Hobo Mar 2020 #100
He wants to sell books dalton99a Mar 2020 #104
This thread proves how susceptible Americans are to fear and spin. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #107
But yet masks will protect others from someone who has covid, if that person is wearing a mask. LisaL Mar 2020 #108
No. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #109
Whatever you say, we in OH have already been told to wear masks by our LisaL Mar 2020 #110
Same with washing hands Kaleva Mar 2020 #113
Good point. As a high-risk individual..... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #114
CDC has now refuted this....... (Link in OP) Takket Mar 2020 #111
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