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Moostache

(9,895 posts)
56. Wait...you mean the house of cards economy, built on the backs of labor is soft?
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:00 PM
Mar 2020

NO WAY, BILL!!!

YES WAY, TED!!!



The facts are that no one knows what to do in this situation because no one is asking or considering the right questions. IF you're goal is to temporarily stabilize the status quo system in the hopes of returning to "business as usual" soon, then the correct things to do are to:

1) freeze all foreclosures and simply add on an extra month of payments or restitution for the number of months of protection/stagnation this requires; keep people in homes, keep businesses in place and keep from a destructive momentum that would wipe out jobs, businesses and local economies simply to grant landlords the titles and restitution in the face of this disaster. During this time landlords and debt holders could be provided with principal payments, but would have to forego interest payments until the economy is restarted...we're trying to keep people and businesses WHOLE, not ENGORGED or MAXIMALLY PROFITABLE...

2) provide direct financial assistance to the public only when it is done as a pass-through for wage replacement on a sliding scale that basically provides all workers (and bosses and owners) Federal Minimum Wage benefits for the duration of the shut down...I'm sure many people would be wishing that $15/hr. minimum had gone through, but we can put a floor under people, not necessarily the entire structure though...

3) Criminalize ANY profiteering, price gouging, or stock buy back style executive enrichment during this time AND for the immediate 6 months after the crisis abates...those at the top are going to have to share in the pain of those at the bottom if we want to retain a civilized society and not fall into a totalitarian nightmare or dystopian anarchy in many areas. This is being bandied about as a 'war footing', well war profiteering was one of the ugliest charges a person could face in the 1940's, so it should be treated the same here and now...

4) Food distribution and the food preparation and delivery system should be prioritized to kick in as soon as the need becomes overwhelming...like now or next week at the latest; one of the ways to help people in this time of need is to eliminate the worry of where the next meal is coming from...keeping people from being overcome by fear is a great challenge, but keeping HUNGRY people from mob violence and social disintegration is even harder still. I have heard literally NOTHING about this challenge from anyone in Congress or the office of POTUS or the media for that matter...this is a major oversight and needs to be addressed ASAP...

5) Medical care for non-COVID19 patients...if nothing else, this crisis is shining a very ugly spotlight on the shortcomings of the medical system in the USA - the "best in the world"...supplies are critically under stocked and under produced to pretend like they are any other commodity unit in a business warehouse textbook. You cannot have the 'best in the world' ANYTHING without the 'Best in the World PLANS and CONTINGENCIES"...nurses, practitioners, aides and staff are being run through a wringer right now because admins and bean counters values PROFITS over PEOPLE (not solely their fault...it is endemic to the entire economic system). Without a massive allocation of resources to these hospitals and clinics and offices, there will be suffering and deaths and a ripple effect through the overall economy and society.

And that's just to duct-tape this whole thing together long enough to GET TO THE NEXT PHASE - rebuilding a NEW economy from the ashes of this one... This idea that Trump (or ANYONE) could simply decree that things go 'back to normal' ignores the very reason this thing is as bad as it is - FEAR. Yelling at a scared animal is not going to make them do what you want them to...and demanding that "the economy be restarted" is not something the President can make happen...open the doors? Maybe...get people to gladly risk infection for the profits of someone else? Doubtful...

This is an opportunity for bold proposals and policy ideas to come forth and to redesign a new economy for Q3-2020 and beyond, a new start on how governments, people and businesses SHOULD interact and staff and stock; as well as a thorough review of the impacts of this on the current economy to enhance building a new one from its ashes. Anyone else holding their breath waiting for THAT outcome? Didn't think so....

In 15 days, it will be obvious that people can't go to work...nt SidDithers Mar 2020 #1
Obvious to Trump? No. Nothing is obvious to him. n/t Dennis Donovan Mar 2020 #2
It Is Unclear What He Has To Say About It, Sir The Magistrate Mar 2020 #11
What he will say about it will be blame state and city governments for unemployment, recession, denem Mar 2020 #49
Trump willing to spread the virus in an attempt to save the stock market? BeckyDem Mar 2020 #3
I expect at the end of the 15-day period, Trump will go on national TV and tell everyone no_hypocrisy Mar 2020 #4
He will continue to FUCK this up until he's removed or drops dead of COVID. Celerity Mar 2020 #5
This 👆🏼 UpInArms Mar 2020 #6
well, I just borrowed it from the OP, so all credit to them Celerity Mar 2020 #7
Amen....never in human history was moment and man more unevenly matched... Moostache Mar 2020 #13
He's got it Initech Mar 2020 #29
Please tell us how you really feel. Butterflylady Mar 2020 #45
ANY business that goes against the doctors and scientists on this is finished...forever. Moostache Mar 2020 #8
Nothing new here Chainfire Mar 2020 #9
It is the GOP healthcare plan in a nutshell... Moostache Mar 2020 #16
They think the stock market indexes (particularly the DOW) are the economy. Hugin Mar 2020 #21
What does he think is going to happen to the economy when people go back out smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #10
He's getting ready to shift the blame to the governors for the stay-at-home orders dalton99a Mar 2020 #12
This Docreed2003 Mar 2020 #25
This needs to be an OP !!! Claim it first uponit7771 Mar 2020 #41
Don't want him to drop dead! aka-chmeee Mar 2020 #14
A beautiful and perfect demise befitting a malignant, sadistic, evil piece of garbage dalton99a Mar 2020 #22
A very stable genius denem Mar 2020 #23
+1 dalton99a Mar 2020 #24
Did I miss something?? Is Italy back to normal?? NoMoreRepugs Mar 2020 #15
when their blanket of dollar bills onethatcares Mar 2020 #17
That would be a 4M+ fuckup and still destroy the economy JCMach1 Mar 2020 #18
Thank you, Dennis, for putting it so succinctly UpInArms Mar 2020 #19
Seriously? This is like responding to the bombing of Pearl Harbor by passing the Marshall Plan. Hugin Mar 2020 #20
Trump has no idea what he's doing. None. Zero. C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #26
He'd rather see the death count go up then the Stock Market go down. Historic NY Mar 2020 #27
Irresponsible parenting, irresponsible leadership.... magicarpet Mar 2020 #55
The fiddler, he now steps to the road. PubliusEnigma Mar 2020 #28
I detect the El Supremo from the room at the top of the stairs Ponietz Mar 2020 #48
In 1-2 weeks, every hospital in the country will be out of icu beds and more importantly, respirator getagrip_already Mar 2020 #30
All of the RW'ers must be getting their programming from Fox: go to work, act normal ffr Mar 2020 #31
Trumps ignoring the medical professionals warning duforsure Mar 2020 #32
The markets will continue to tank and give Trump the finger. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2020 #33
Darwinist Survival-of-the-fittest GOP Party to its core bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #34
If he has a backbone, Dr. Fauci will publically tell him off NickB79 Mar 2020 #35
It explains no federal actions Midnightwalk Mar 2020 #36
Within a week ScratchCat Mar 2020 #37
KARMA might have a plan? Brainfodder Mar 2020 #38
He is an active and credible threat to over 300M Americans. Orrex Mar 2020 #39
Not Humanitarian..... economic. Pure trump. spanone Mar 2020 #40
Jonathan Swan is an idiot. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #42
If the spread continues to go unchecked, it will do just as much damage as the shutdowns are Dopers_Greed Mar 2020 #43
Knowing it's wrong but I prefer the latter. Butterflylady Mar 2020 #44
Trump and congress will have to issue a law protecting businesses from lawsuits Yavin4 Mar 2020 #46
I certainly think it's the wrong move, but we are on the cusp of an economic collapse Victor_c3 Mar 2020 #47
Wait...you mean the house of cards economy, built on the backs of labor is soft? Moostache Mar 2020 #56
Dangerous and disgusting ck4829 Mar 2020 #50
He is posturing just to keep Wall Street at bay randr Mar 2020 #51
+1, this is my thought case the DOW was heading to 17 ... that's another bottom point. uponit7771 Mar 2020 #53
Call me naive, but Trump's plan to relax restrictions is not going to happen. Cousin Dupree Mar 2020 #52
In order to think this is a good idea, you have to believe that China, S Korea, Singapore, Germany RockRaven Mar 2020 #54
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