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sofa king

(10,857 posts)
52. Unfortunately, it isn't that simple.
Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:50 AM
Sep 2012

In the debates, Romney gets to hide behind an annoying facet of American politics which is being called the "backfire effect."

If you don't wish to read the 2000 words about it in the link above, the nutshell is this: when a conservative politician lies and a liberal refutes the lie with facts, conservative voters are more likely to believe the lie.

Yes, you read that right. Providing conservatives with the correct information actually reinforces their stupid beliefs. So the President cannot simply point at Mitt and say, "you are a liar," without encouraging conservative voters to believe Romney is telling the truth.

God damn, that pisses me off. But there it is. Anyway....

I think this means that the President will have to take a more indirect and much more difficult path to sowing doubt in the minds of conservative voters. The President will have to have an internal library of the statements and positions of other conservative authorities which contradict whatever lie Romney is telling at the time. He will have to recite that conservative authority's quote back to Romney. "Karl Rove doesn't agree with you," might be a good retort, as infuriating as that is to me personally.

I'm not sure if the President can use Romney's own previous lies against him--but that's something the President definitely needs to run by the psychologists (I hope someone on his debate staff is reading this!).

Unfortunately, it is going to make viewing of the debates difficult for the lot of us, because we are all going to be shouting at the television for President Obama to call Romney out directly when that is exactly what he should not do in most cases. But we are in the bag for the Democrats and the objective is to lead conservatives to some semblance of the truth (which will depress their turnout and may even convert a few of the wiser ones), or at least doubt about their own unworkable positions.

Those of you who doubt me may wish to revisit the DU threads on the Cheney-Edwards debate of 2004. Cheney lied his ass off, and Edwards perhaps wisely let many of those lies go, but mistakenly went after him on some of the big ones. Then in November, a good proportion of stupid conservatives shambled into the booth still believing that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks, in part because Edwards dared to refute that stupid belief before a large number of conservative viewers.

The backfire effect is the primary way that a cabal of very evil people have suborned the Republican Party and shackled it to the whims of the ultra-wealthy. But President Obama is a master of taking the advantages of his opponents and turning those advantages against them, so we can expect him to have a thoughtful, if not obvious, response.

I can't wait to watch Romney's face as he's getting debunked. JaneyVee Sep 2012 #1
He is going to need kevlar drawers. Historic NY Sep 2012 #2
Magic Depends... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #3
+ mnhtnbb Sep 2012 #65
If I was Mitt I'd be terrified. Lugnut Sep 2012 #4
Hell, I would not debate Obama on any topic! Logical Sep 2012 #6
I don't think he's scared, though he ought to be. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2012 #5
And that is precisely why... CoffeeCat Sep 2012 #22
He will dissociate and rationalize and then severely abuse all the underlings siligut Sep 2012 #57
on the other hand, this is his last chance. obama could seal the deal by canceling the debates. unblock Sep 2012 #7
I don't think he is scared at all, and that is his problem Skittles Sep 2012 #8
I think the nitwit part is his Reagan impersonation siligut Sep 2012 #58
Expectations need to be higher for him. MrSlayer Sep 2012 #9
Exactly right. thucythucy Sep 2012 #48
you are so correct veganlush Sep 2012 #66
I hope Clinton helps out on debate prep itsrobert Sep 2012 #10
Interesting speculation: If Mitt is an early Alzheimer's patient, as many of us suspect..... LongTomH Sep 2012 #11
Dubya has early onset dementia tavalon Sep 2012 #14
He will be wearing a state of the art ear bud and tavalon Sep 2012 #17
It would be fun if we could get someone into the debate halls with a jamming device. LongTomH Sep 2012 #19
Mitt is a sociopath tavalon Sep 2012 #12
Agreed. So no Cha Sep 2012 #25
If Obama can hold his own with Hillary, he can wipe the floor with Mitt's face... cynatnite Sep 2012 #13
He's just going to repeat talking points drilled into him. begin_within Sep 2012 #15
That will depend on the moderator former-republican Sep 2012 #33
True, but I don't think he's even going to take questions from the moderator begin_within Sep 2012 #62
Exactly what Palin did Freddie Sep 2012 #38
GOP debates he lied about Obama and they didn't challenge it K8-EEE Sep 2012 #16
+1 IL Lib Sep 2012 #20
I'm not sure he'll even show up. BlueStreak Sep 2012 #18
He'll probably be in the bathroom in the fetal position screaming davidpdx Sep 2012 #37
More likely, he'll be off with one of his tax fraud henchmen BlueStreak Sep 2012 #39
Glad I'm not the only one who had this thought. nt nc4bo Sep 2012 #41
Could be.... davidpdx Sep 2012 #43
Not bloody likely. Look what Bernie Madoff had to do to get himself arrested BlueStreak Sep 2012 #46
Here's something from Mitt Romney, 2011 about W Spann, LLC, Bain Capital, Mitt's blind trust... nc4bo Sep 2012 #49
The '08 VP debate... k2qb3 Sep 2012 #21
Scary thing about that is... DLine Sep 2012 #31
It worked so well that the entire ticket lost. I'll take THAT ANYday. nt nc4bo Sep 2012 #42
Yep. The conservatoid at work said reflection Sep 2012 #44
RUMOR HAS IT former-republican Sep 2012 #34
I'll be interested to see if Rmoney finds a way to back out of debates no. 2 & 3! I suspect he'll.. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #23
I'm wondering how much the debate moderators are Cha Sep 2012 #24
Ohh. I seem to remember Crowley doing that last time flamingdem Sep 2012 #26
+1. Anyone know what the debate rules are this year? gkhouston Sep 2012 #40
I don't think he's smart enough to be frightened. Warpy Sep 2012 #27
Nah - He thinks that people will see him standing next to Obama and realize their mistake ribrepin Sep 2012 #28
Fox News Declares That Romney Wins Debates! TomCADem Sep 2012 #29
I sure hope so flyguyjake Sep 2012 #30
Hey we need what we can get with all that money gearing up for blatent lying ads. hollysmom Sep 2012 #32
As Delusional As Romney Is DallasNE Sep 2012 #35
I just wish the debates would be actual debates mykpart Sep 2012 #36
I'm actually not looking forward to the debates. reflection Sep 2012 #45
Lol. Well, as Kerry pointed out.. ananda Sep 2012 #47
He'll be fine. He can easily afford a box under his jacket - no camera shots from behind, please. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #50
Actually, I see Willard as far too arrogant to think he needs that kind of help. Jackpine Radical Sep 2012 #51
The people who programmed him. As far as I know, we don't have self-programming robots yet. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #61
LOL n-t Logical Sep 2012 #55
Unfortunately, it isn't that simple. sofa king Sep 2012 #52
He should be. President Obama is going to expose and embarrass him in front of the whole world. Zorra Sep 2012 #53
watching his performance on MTP Bluerthanblue Sep 2012 #54
I truly doubt he is etherealtruth Sep 2012 #56
NPR was just saying how Romney is much more prepared to debate than Obama. qb Sep 2012 #59
Well, he needs much more preparation begin_within Sep 2012 #63
Shhh! Let them say that all they want! fugop Sep 2012 #67
Typical Mara Liasson... sendero Sep 2012 #69
It's probably going to be a lot easier on him than the primary debates The Second Stone Sep 2012 #60
I bet he is too! polly7 Sep 2012 #64
the power of money and purchased advertising trumps the debates 0rganism Sep 2012 #68
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #70
Die, Troll...... NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #71
. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2012 #72
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