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wnylib

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43. I read some similar views about thugs not
Wed Dec 11, 2019, 05:52 AM
Dec 2019

being able to organize themselves to be effective. They came from Germans who discounted the.Brown Shirts and rheir crazy, ranting political leader.

I would rather take all threats seriously enough to be prepared and to discredit them -- early-- rather than just discount them as harmless cowards.

I learned something recently about the ability of psychological appeals to arouse even avowed pacifists to violence. In the 1920's, at the end of WW1, the German kaiser abducted and a democratic republic was formed. Going from an autocratic society and nearly absolute monarchy to the freedom in a republic was too unsettling for many people on the right. They felt insecure and
disturbed by the change in social and political norms.

The new freedoms included previously forbidden
lifestyles and expressions in art and music.

Several Mennonite communities reacted by turning to the political right to restore previous social norms. Old order Mennonites are so pacifist that they literally turn the other cheek when facing violence. They avoid politics.

Yet whole German Mennonite communities were inspired
by promises to restore social order. They became politically active. The younger ones joined the Nazi party. By the end of WW2, several Mennonites were in the Gestapo. Some were concentration camp guards.

We are not that bad off here. We.have long established institutions, but they are being eroded. What I learn from the Mennonite example is how people can radically change in circumstances that appeal to their emotions about losing social norms. They do not see that their 'remedy' strays even farther from social and moral norms.

101 Refresher [View all] H2O Man Dec 2019 OP
K&R... spanone Dec 2019 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2019 #2
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #3
Thank you! H2O Man Dec 2019 #11
Makes sense malaise Dec 2019 #4
That's funny! H2O Man Dec 2019 #13
Today was insane by any standards coeur_de_lion Dec 2019 #5
It was 50% insane. H2O Man Dec 2019 #15
Yeah scared and stupid don't go together very well coeur_de_lion Dec 2019 #30
The roll calls H2O Man Dec 2019 #31
What are they agreeing/disagreeing to? coeur_de_lion Dec 2019 #33
The votes are H2O Man Dec 2019 #34
Nobody would be stupid enough to fall for that coeur_de_lion Dec 2019 #36
Kudos Ingersollman Dec 2019 #38
Exposing their weakness ChubbyStar Dec 2019 #6
While I watched H2O Man Dec 2019 #16
"moderate republican voters" - I'm mystified. erronis Dec 2019 #7
I think that there are. H2O Man Dec 2019 #17
I wonder if any of the cult-base are listening to any of it. LakeArenal Dec 2019 #24
I think they think extreme rage conveys sincerity; we saw it with Kavanaugh too. Auggie Dec 2019 #8
Exactly! H2O Man Dec 2019 #18
They think it conveys sincerity and strength. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2019 #39
Thanks for adding this ... Auggie Dec 2019 #40
Problem is, Mr.Bill Dec 2019 #9
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Dec 2019 #20
Politics 101 is all well and good. Mr.Bill Dec 2019 #28
My thoughts as well, H2O Man. SergeStorms Dec 2019 #10
Right. H2O Man Dec 2019 #21
It's difficult to imagine a rational person Mr.Bill Dec 2019 #29
GOPhers subscribe to the fallacious idea that volume equals truth..... lastlib Dec 2019 #12
Very good! H2O Man Dec 2019 #22
"Volume truth!!!" Auggie Dec 2019 #26
They are indeed surreal. PatrickforO Dec 2019 #14
Great points! H2O Man Dec 2019 #23
I have also wondered if they missed the good wave. They fell into a trough and will be submerged erronis Dec 2019 #37
Excellent points, IMO. You have summed up wnylib Dec 2019 #42
Regarding the Thomas Paine quote Martin Eden Dec 2019 #19
On U2's H2O Man Dec 2019 #25
You are, of course, correct Martin Eden Dec 2019 #35
paine, locke, hobbes,.mill. I'm ok with them Kurt V. Dec 2019 #27
Right. H2O Man Dec 2019 #32
If riling their base is all they have... malthaussen Dec 2019 #41
I read some similar views about thugs not wnylib Dec 2019 #43
i think their strategy is to use ugliness to make everyone tune out except the Trumpy base 0rganism Dec 2019 #44
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