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murielm99

(30,656 posts)
17. There would not be so many student loans if we
Sun Dec 1, 2019, 02:42 PM
Dec 2019

reformed our way of paying for college.

It would be a very dangerous and undemocratic approach to education if we told people what to study and what fields we would support for study.

My daughter had a teacher who was here on an exchange program. The teacher grew up in East Germany. She was good at languages, so they made her study languages. She learned Russian and some other language. She would have chosen music, if she had been given the choice.

What a grim world this would be if it was all business and how to get ahead financially. Isn't that what many DU members complain about? Haven't the oligarchs and republicans cornered the market on that type of thinking? I am happy that there is a place for the liberal arts in our world. I am happy that there is room for all types of talent, and for areas of study that teach people how to think rather than thinking only about the bottom line.

And business loans have nothing to do with it. You are comparing apples and oranges.

We have a business man in the White House. We have had business men running other areas of government, and it has not worked out well. We had a business man as governor of Illinois, and he very nearly ruined our state. There are very good reason to let business men run businesses, not government, not arts programs, not education. I have a big problem with putting business men on pedestals.

I got a degree in music. Never made any money from it, and ended up in other lines of work, The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #1
I eventually got an AA.. tonedevil Dec 2019 #5
Music is not an easy degree. soldierant Dec 2019 #34
Musicians are one of the top pics for computer programmng positions. TheBlackAdder Dec 2019 #55
Exactly the same with me, Velveteen.. choie Dec 2019 #58
Music Major checking in. no_hypocrisy Dec 2019 #59
I got a J.D., too, but music is so analytical that I have to think it helped. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #60
I hear you. no_hypocrisy Dec 2019 #61
I know more than one computer programmer/analyst with a music degree... Hekate Dec 2019 #63
My son Corgigal Dec 2019 #2
I'm heartened to hear... tonedevil Dec 2019 #8
Quite true, I think. Happy Hoosier Dec 2019 #46
Education is not purely about murielm99 Dec 2019 #3
Exactly. /nt tonedevil Dec 2019 #9
If that's the case customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #11
There would not be so many student loans if we murielm99 Dec 2019 #17
I'm not advocating customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #24
I still think the idea of education as "job training" is a shallow pool stopdiggin Dec 2019 #38
When we get to customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #51
I don't think you know the difference between murielm99 Dec 2019 #44
Clearly customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #50
You dropped out? murielm99 Dec 2019 #57
I'd be hostile customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #66
Not too surprised the market-motive outweighs actual education in far too many cases. LanternWaste Dec 2019 #65
Who was the failure? customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #67
I am sad that you think education murielm99 Dec 2019 #68
Education is not all about money customerserviceguy Dec 2019 #69
Education is not the filling of a pail, but the lighting of a fire Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #37
Right here, both & no regrets. It was hard, positions were few, appalachiablue Dec 2019 #4
Thank you for the eye... tonedevil Dec 2019 #6
Thank you! I really like the post, apropos for a Sunday too. appalachiablue Dec 2019 #7
Nice! I will add a few: demmiblue Dec 2019 #25
Amazing, all. I had no idea I have been missing so much for so long. erronis Dec 2019 #27
I haven't read it. demmiblue Dec 2019 #28
Excellent, thanks for posting these art videos appalachiablue Dec 2019 #33
Wow... tonedevil Dec 2019 #41
Thank you. murielm99 Dec 2019 #12
It is a great quote by Adams. I must make a hand written copy today appalachiablue Dec 2019 #14
You know, I'm a strong believer that we should have free K-16 education, regardless of any major... Humanist_Activist Dec 2019 #10
Great post, so true amen! appalachiablue Dec 2019 #15
I'm with you... tonedevil Dec 2019 #19
Classrooms and teachers don't cost much. hunter Dec 2019 #43
Juan Felipe Herrera, US poet laureate tells the story of a person he knew Beringia Dec 2019 #13
Thank you for that inspirational story. Ohiogal Dec 2019 #16
College was originally to learn to think treestar Dec 2019 #18
College for learning to think and reason, vocational schools for job training. Merlot Dec 2019 #64
A liberal arts degree shanti Dec 2019 #20
Teaches you to think Beringia Dec 2019 #21
Well shanti Dec 2019 #22
Honestly I don't think so Beringia Dec 2019 #23
LOL Skittles Dec 2019 #45
OK shanti Dec 2019 #56
Both my Raftergirl Dec 2019 #26
That's not the way I heard it. LudwigPastorius Dec 2019 #29
LOL... tonedevil Dec 2019 #35
Many companies are more interested that you FINISHED a college degree. keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #30
Less than half... tonedevil Dec 2019 #36
Is the ant communist or socialist? Certainly not capitalist. keithbvadu2 Dec 2019 #31
If compensation is the only measure of success at work Mr.Bill Dec 2019 #32
Majored in art in college FreeState Dec 2019 #39
I'm pretty sure it's been proven that arts studies... Wounded Bear Dec 2019 #40
I Got a History Degree and "My Portfolio is Strong to Quite Strong" Stallion Dec 2019 #42
The liberal arts, sports, etc., are, as you point out, central to human wellbeing. gulliver Dec 2019 #47
We need a nation full of people with arts/history, humanities degrees, Hortensis Dec 2019 #48
I don't care what anyone majors in TexasBushwhacker Dec 2019 #49
Kick and kick burrowowl Dec 2019 #52
The narrative remains you need a college degree to succeed captain queeg Dec 2019 #53
Liberal Arts degrees give you the tools for a life... ret5hd Dec 2019 #54
My wife and I are science majors, my wife a doctor... things you didn't know about Hunter. hunter Dec 2019 #62
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