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MicaelS

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164. Anyone who thinks war is solely a human experience...
Fri Nov 29, 2019, 07:23 PM
Nov 2019

Is naive. Animals war, too.

Social insects like ants fight wars between colonies. They kill and pillage each other for resources.

Plenty of the males of higher animals fight each other, and even kill one another for access to "resources" which means access to food and females. Lions, elephants, deer, antelopes, horses, just to name a few.

You can either take an evolutionary viewpoint or a religious viewpoint, but war is as old as humanity.

And do not put it all on males. Plenty of women in the USSR served in combat in WWII. Google "Night Witches". Some of the best Soviet snipers were women with hundreds of kills.

well someone has to die to protect the interests of American multi-national corporations nt msongs Nov 2019 #1
Perfectly said DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #50
Some respect and concern for them as PEOPLE is in order. Hortensis Nov 2019 #172
I think it started going overboard after 9/11 captain queeg Nov 2019 #2
Don't get me started on firefighters. Yes there is danger and some put there lives on the Dream Girl Nov 2019 #4
I couldn't agree DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #63
The idea that police work is incredibly dangerous or "riskier" as you put it, is a canard A HERETIC I AM Nov 2019 #133
You are correct JonLP24 Nov 2019 #139
Yup. A HERETIC I AM Nov 2019 #140
I totally agree with your first statement DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #144
If you'd been to San Francisco you'd understand the wooden ladders jmowreader Nov 2019 #181
ooooooo, sorry to hit a nerve. DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #206
And don't forget the food! Nature Man Nov 2019 #218
Contrary to your popular myth DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #224
True, most big city firefighters and police officers are White men. Blue_true Nov 2019 #88
Nope. First Gulf War. GoCubsGo Nov 2019 #47
Exactly right. utopian Nov 2019 #67
First Gulf War and before that, the invasion of Panama. The first Cable TV wars. ArtTownsend Nov 2019 #89
"Jingoistic." GoCubsGo Nov 2019 #100
Yup. "Cannon fodder." ArtTownsend Nov 2019 #102
Everyone should DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #151
Worship of soldiers go in cycles. Blue_true Nov 2019 #103
Well, except for lonely bird Nov 2019 #189
You are right. I meant to put on a very broad scale in that sentence but forgot. Blue_true Nov 2019 #221
The Hero Worship is a Planned Campaign McKim Nov 2019 #180
The police and firefighter worship started after 9/11. Blue_true Nov 2019 #84
Good points all around. Thanks. ArtTownsend Nov 2019 #92
Indeed DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #207
That's pretty much how this old white lady feels about it. 50 Shades Of Blue Nov 2019 #3
I had the same talk with my son when he was fairly young. lark Nov 2019 #202
Ditto DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #209
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #5
You say no one died for black lives. cwydro Nov 2019 #6
Ummm that's kind of a fairy tales. Dream Girl Nov 2019 #12
Oh, so good to know. Lincoln and the war had nothing to do with freeing the slaves. cwydro Nov 2019 #18
Her post does more than "astound" me. Haggis for Breakfast Nov 2019 #158
I hear ya. cwydro Nov 2019 #159
lincoln freeing slaves....? ConnieAZ1 Nov 2019 #226
So your stance is that the civil war was about state rights and not slavery? egduj Nov 2019 #31
Truly, Lincoln was a man of great conscience and morality, and ending slavery was important to him. colorado_ufo Nov 2019 #43
I figure it was states' rights and slavery. 3Hotdogs Nov 2019 #72
Third grade Virginia history, circa 1958. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #80
Yes, I have too. cwydro Nov 2019 #107
No, its' not. paleotn Nov 2019 #120
You're close in using "fairy tales," but not the way you think. No offense intended, but millions ancianita Nov 2019 #122
I will have to check these out. Dream Girl Nov 2019 #124
I did not see this statement in OP kozar Nov 2019 #83
Recommended. The US military has not protected our freedom Ron Green Nov 2019 #7
"The US military has not protected our freedom within my lifetime." EX500rider Nov 2019 #220
The Red Scare was BS samir.g Nov 2019 #228
lol...rigggghttt....those 50,000 tanks were all for fun.... EX500rider Nov 2019 #229
Have you ever talked to anybody who lived in Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Lithuania, EX500rider Dec 2019 #241
The effects of climate change will probably do him in. Kaleva Nov 2019 #8
Because of our national state religion gratuitous Nov 2019 #9
I agree JonLP24 Nov 2019 #10
In reality, it's just lip service. Veterans and not respected. They are viewed as disposable Dream Girl Nov 2019 #15
I agree it is definitely mostly lip service JonLP24 Nov 2019 #16
I almost hate to admit it, but I have to agree with you there. smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #65
So true. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2019 #223
The military IS that worshipped. FiveGoodMen Nov 2019 #24
I agree JonLP24 Nov 2019 #27
Sounds good FiveGoodMen Nov 2019 #28
RIGHT !!! Support Troops by not feeding MIC and keeping them out of stupid wars and over feeding VA uponit7771 Nov 2019 #154
Spot on.. dware Nov 2019 #165
I agree Beringia Nov 2019 #11
Many people have relatives & friends in the military that appalachiablue Nov 2019 #13
I'm sure little 6 year old Amira in Afghanistan Jake Stern Nov 2019 #77
Still the backlash to the perceived ill-treatment DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #14
Yup, and now there is no anti-war movement. bahrbearian Nov 2019 #20
I think a lot of it has to do with that. Stories told that were not necessarily true has us all Jewls2 Nov 2019 #56
PERCEIVED?????? DarleenMB Nov 2019 #58
Some did kill babies. SMC22307 Nov 2019 #60
I read a while back that someone did some research, and there are no PoindexterOglethorpe Nov 2019 #85
That is correct. It was pretty much manufactured outrage to punch the hippies and war protesters. ArtTownsend Nov 2019 #96
There is an iconic photo of a child running from a napalm DeminPennswoods Nov 2019 #99
That girl was injured by Vietnamese napalm from the Vietnamese air force, not Americans. braddy Nov 2019 #111
It's not possible to say it never happened, but I believe it is difficult to find mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #109
Um, that's just a Sylvester Stallone quote Nature Man Nov 2019 #184
Yeah, don't take the word of returning vets who had to live it. pintobean Nov 2019 #192
Yep, an opinion piece (anecdotal) is plenty proof (YAWN) Nature Man Nov 2019 #196
I'm not too young to remember it. pintobean Nov 2019 #213
I am old enough to remember it Nature Man Nov 2019 #215
Snort pintobean Nov 2019 #227
Whether or not you want to believe it, dware Dec 2019 #245
Yep. Owl Nov 2019 #205
Is there really proof of that? treestar Dec 2019 #253
Wars like WWI and WWII were a lot different from the junk we "fight" today. Today, we have too many Hoyt Nov 2019 #17
Imagine what kind of country this could be without the obscene level of military spending Dream Girl Nov 2019 #19
Agree. As long as the USA wants to bully other nations, it won't change. Hoyt Nov 2019 #25
Yup. ArtTownsend Nov 2019 #93
Gallagher enlisted under Clinton's presidency was highly decorated and one of our top navy SEALs and braddy Nov 2019 #142
Screw hired killers. Worthless POS -- Gallagher -- murdered children in some gungho fit of hatred. Hoyt Nov 2019 #146
Gallagher murdered children? dware Nov 2019 #148
Before sticking up for murders, I suggest using some search skills. Hoyt Nov 2019 #155
Thank you for the links. dware Nov 2019 #156
see a link? Nature Man Nov 2019 #216
Already got several so your dware Nov 2019 #237
Wow snowybirdie Nov 2019 #21
But the poison weapons thing was a hoax Beringia Nov 2019 #23
The poison weapons actually came from the US JonLP24 Nov 2019 #26
The words may sound extreme but there is validity to them. Caliman73 Nov 2019 #179
Thank You putting into words what I always think Rollerman Nov 2019 #22
This is kind of disappointing GanjaGrower Nov 2019 #29
Well said Tech Nov 2019 #33
Great post. cwydro Nov 2019 #35
Nazi Germany was no doubt awful JonLP24 Nov 2019 #37
The USSR was much worse consider this. braddy Nov 2019 #149
Thank you JonLP24 Nov 2019 #150
Very well said! BigOleDummy Nov 2019 #86
Well said shipmate Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #90
Crap. ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #123
You did risk your life though treestar Nov 2019 #147
Welcome to DU, GG. ❤ nt littlemissmartypants Dec 2019 #244
Our military-industrial complex is just a big economic feeding trough Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #30
Brad DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #70
Eisenhower never saw combat and Rumsfeld went directly from chairman of Gilead to Bush's admin. braddy Nov 2019 #119
My point exactly on Eisenhower DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #157
Thanks Bradshaw3 Nov 2019 #153
I am thankful for our men and women who have served, are serving, and will serve. egduj Nov 2019 #32
Everything in our lives here on Earth is a racket to get MONEY. Brainfodder Nov 2019 #34
Agree for the most part DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #163
I think many Americans bow and scrape to the military raccoon Nov 2019 #36
Because Republicans made Military Service equal to the highest form of patriotism NewJeffCT Nov 2019 #38
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #39
Hey, Loki! MyOwnPeace Nov 2019 #97
When I joined the Army, kozar Nov 2019 #40
.... handmade34 Nov 2019 #52
Ignorant of history much? If it wasn't for our military, America wouldn't exist Baclava Nov 2019 #41
"If it wasn't for our military, America wouldn't exist" pangaia Nov 2019 #48
Thank you. cwydro Nov 2019 #51
Honour the PERSON. Nobody joins military to "serve" corporations; so, yes we do HONOUR service Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #42
Good post. I think your premise about WAR is spot on. And runs MUCH deeper than your pangaia Nov 2019 #44
Our military is necessary in a dangerous world with bad actors Martin Eden Nov 2019 #45
Agree. We started being in a state of awe Polly Hennessey Nov 2019 #46
oh Jesus evertonfc Nov 2019 #49
"we rally behind the troops" Martin Eden Nov 2019 #188
I think the marketing campaign to elevate the military started with Vietnam Sancho Nov 2019 #53
I have evolved into feeling the same as you. I agree. Jewls2 Nov 2019 #54
You're beating the wrong horse DarleenMB Nov 2019 #55
Well stated and excellent point. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #78
I'm not dissing them. At all. Wat I'm dissing is the military worship I see Dream Girl Nov 2019 #110
Also, since higher education is expensive, many people join the military for college funding KSNY Nov 2019 #57
A counterpoint: volstork Nov 2019 #59
I'd be surprised if the OP knows from what war that poem came. cwydro Nov 2019 #161
Soldiers don't get to choose which wars they get to fight. Redleg Nov 2019 #61
I don't want my tax dollars to go to fighting KPN Nov 2019 #75
This is more a critique of the Presidency than of the military Redleg Nov 2019 #87
Yes. It's a critique of how and why we use our military KPN Nov 2019 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Nov 2019 #62
I don't know about this worship shit.... Brother Buzz Nov 2019 #64
Draftees Are A Different Matter, Buzz ProfessorGAC Nov 2019 #185
The draftee served an IMPORTANT role, and it's something that is mostly missing in today's military Brother Buzz Nov 2019 #219
No Argument ProfessorGAC Dec 2019 #238
Fast froward a few years and we learn us dumb veterans of the Army of the United States (AUS).... Brother Buzz Dec 2019 #243
Consider The Source, Buzz ProfessorGAC Dec 2019 #246
Korea ... we lost that war. Vietnam ... we lost that war. erlewyne Nov 2019 #66
Our Vietnam war dead were 70% volunteers, our WWII war dead were 70% draftees. braddy Nov 2019 #116
I did not know that erlewyne Nov 2019 #126
Hardly anyone knows that because the media paints Vietnam as a disgruntled, loser, draftee war, braddy Nov 2019 #128
What does it matter if they were highly skilled warriors Beringia Nov 2019 #138
I didn't hear complaints about Vietnam in the Army, except about how we were fighting it. braddy Nov 2019 #141
your post is confusing erlewyne Nov 2019 #168
"Korea ... we lost that war" If we had lost that war N Korea would have owned the whole country. EX500rider Nov 2019 #222
I considered it an honor to serve my nation on active military duty for 20 years. 40RatRod Nov 2019 #68
This seems to be a hot topic post. kozar Nov 2019 #69
I appreciated that point of her post JonLP24 Nov 2019 #74
100% agree n/t kozar Nov 2019 #76
Clever. orangecrush Nov 2019 #71
The post before yours touched on a key point. Blue_true Nov 2019 #129
General Smedley Butler's book, "War Is a Racket." 3Hotdogs Nov 2019 #73
So glad to see this. Sad to see no response. redqueen Nov 2019 #197
How old will he have to be before he's allowed to think for himself? mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2019 #79
I would say about 5-7 years kozar Nov 2019 #106
I'm OK thanking our service members for their service... GitRDun Nov 2019 #81
"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." braddy Nov 2019 #160
After Vietnam, veterans were treated badly extvbroadcaster Nov 2019 #82
The truck drivers are exposed JonLP24 Nov 2019 #95
Some are and some are not Farmer-Rick Nov 2019 #98
Post-Vietnam efforts by the Reagan-Bush era revanchists. 9/11 and the "War on Terror" certainly made ArtTownsend Nov 2019 #91
Complete agreement! Thanks for sharing those thoughts...muy bien dicho! Karadeniz Nov 2019 #94
Because they are willing to die to protect and defend the Constitution bottomofthehill Nov 2019 #101
So they say. And yes, talk is cheap. Dream Girl Nov 2019 #118
I agree with you 100%. Mickju Nov 2019 #104
The US was founded by a war, guillaumeb Nov 2019 #105
she stated she was talking to her kozar Nov 2019 #108
I agree Dream Girl. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2019 #113
My father, a WWII veteran Mr.Bill Nov 2019 #114
It was the same for me when I was a little girl lunatica Nov 2019 #115
Good for YOU!!!!!! McKim Nov 2019 #182
Promoting peace is really a full time job lunatica Nov 2019 #201
Worship? No. Respect? Yes. paleotn Nov 2019 #117
Military service was normal for generations of men, for instance 10 million boomers served, since braddy Nov 2019 #121
It seems like most cultures have a deep respect for their warriors... aikoaiko Nov 2019 #125
usually comes from people who have no idea what the military is about, just saying beachbumbob Nov 2019 #127
My point is the undue worship we are expected to pay. Those in the military are entitled Dream Girl Nov 2019 #134
by Wolfgang Borchert hauweg Nov 2019 #130
I don't know why you do. I don't. Kaleva Nov 2019 #131
This is a good question because the answer says everything about yourself. Joe941 Nov 2019 #132
General Smedley Butler's writings should be mandatory reading. Garrett78 Nov 2019 #135
Or listening. It is so disappointing to see his words are still not heeded. redqueen Nov 2019 #198
False premise, divide and conquer bullshit Baked Potato Nov 2019 #136
+1 RelativelyJones Nov 2019 #178
From the perspective of this former soldier, Quackers Nov 2019 #137
ty Quackers kozar Nov 2019 #143
It seems they make every event or holiday about the military. LiberalFighter Nov 2019 #145
I remember the current deification of the military beginning as a rebuttal Poiuyt Nov 2019 #152
This thread is shameful. pintobean Nov 2019 #162
Not really. This is some people's expierence. Joe941 Nov 2019 #169
More lack of pintobean Nov 2019 #173
It would help if you explain why. I can't wait. Nt USALiberal Nov 2019 #174
Anyone who thinks war is solely a human experience... MicaelS Nov 2019 #164
I think the fact that animals war Ron Green Nov 2019 #204
We don't. We respect soldiers as trying to do their duty regardless of our personal feeling about emmaverybo Nov 2019 #166
When I got of the military in 1989 Opel_Justwax Nov 2019 #167
I don't worship the military, so next time America is under attack, I'm on my own.. Dream Girl Nov 2019 #170
I agree with you I_UndergroundPanther Nov 2019 #171
I respect a nurse, coal miner, roofer the same! Nt USALiberal Nov 2019 #175
The only winning move is not to play. 7wo7rees Nov 2019 #176
war, it's our nature Demonaut Nov 2019 #177
The military is a jobs program that serves the corporations and their interests. Autumn Nov 2019 #183
I had a friend in the military Nature Man Nov 2019 #186
In my life/world, I have to keep silent on what I think of the military/industrial/corporate complex Ferrets are Cool Nov 2019 #187
I suggest lonely bird Nov 2019 #190
Can you please expand on that last statement? Is it about diplomacy? Dream Girl Nov 2019 #191
Thanks for asking lonely bird Nov 2019 #236
You and John Lennon my DU friend... FreeWheatForever Nov 2019 #193
Thanks for that. I remember when I was about 8 or 9 seeing the obituaries of the Dream Girl Nov 2019 #217
Another thought FreeWheatForever Nov 2019 #233
You said that very well PatSeg Nov 2019 #194
The soldiers are happy about some of the men dying... TomVilmer Nov 2019 #195
Universal Soldier by Buffy Sainte Marie. War is a Racket by Smedley Butler. redqueen Nov 2019 #199
When I joined Woodwizard Nov 2019 #200
My opinion, FWIW malthaussen Nov 2019 #203
Excellent analysis. Dream Girl Nov 2019 #211
Every empire needs a huge army. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #208
Yep. Dream Girl Nov 2019 #214
I don't. It's interesting and a little horrifying to watch, though. Iggo Nov 2019 #210
How late was it until the US Armed Forces were forcibly desegregated? Nature Man Nov 2019 #212
There are many reasons. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2019 #225
I don't "worship" them, but they do put there lives whathehell Nov 2019 #230
Thanks for spitting on my military service, Dream Girl pshediack Nov 2019 #231
I'm assuming you received pay, housing, benefits and a pension? Dream Girl Nov 2019 #232
Your assumption is correct... pshediack Dec 2019 #242
Thank you!!!! Stinky The Clown Nov 2019 #234
Massive UNREC Stinky The Clown Nov 2019 #235
The military can be an awesome opportunity if one wants to take advantage of it madville Dec 2019 #239
Sounds like a sweet deal. You made it work for you and it sounds like you don't need or expect Dream Girl Dec 2019 #240
You guys really want to feel good, don't you. RichardRay Dec 2019 #247
War is insane. Love of the military is sick. Dream Girl Dec 2019 #249
A December 7th kick pintobean Dec 2019 #248
A lot of this started after Vietnam vets came home to ridicule nini Dec 2019 #250
The Reason Why. The reasons Democrats make sure they're seen respecting Vogon_Glory Dec 2019 #251
It is no longer seen as a group effort treestar Dec 2019 #252
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