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lagomorph777

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26. OK. Let's also include economics.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 09:49 AM
Nov 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/01/13/renewable-energy-cost-effective-fossil-fuels-2020/#3ea32cb34ff2
http://www.renewable-energysources.com/
https://www.nrel.gov/news/press/2017/nrel-report-utility-scale-solar-pv-system-cost-fell-last-year.html
https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2018/01/solar-pv-costs-expected-cut-half-2020/
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/wind-energy-is-one-of-the-cheapest-sources-of-electricity-and-its-getting-cheaper/


And of course, keep in mind that all of the above studies assume that the largest costs of fossil fuels are externalized (i.e. not the utility operator's problem). Externalized costs include health problems from polluted air, and (duh) the existential threats posed by climate change (fires, floods, loss of coastal cities, mass migrations...)

https://www.epa.gov/statelocalenergy/estimating-health-benefits-kilowatt-hour-energy-efficiency-and-renewable-energy
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2017/09/climate-change-costs-us-economy-billions-report/

So, lobbyists can advocate all they want for propping up the dying (and killing) fossil fuel industries, based on "science" and "facts" but in reality that's all based on narrow greedy self-interests, not honest science, not the interests of the energy-buying public, and certainly not economic realities. Fossil fuels are going away because they are unaffordable, and all the advocacy, all the bots, all the trolls, and all the public corruption in the world, can't change that reality.
((NNadir)) blm Nov 2019 #1
Yes! ananda Nov 2019 #2
Jacob Javits was actually a good guy, not what I'd call a Repuke of today FakeNoose Nov 2019 #3
My dad was Washington correspondent for a newspaper in a tiny town in upstate NY DFW Nov 2019 #4
+1 FakeNoose Nov 2019 #6
I think the rot set Scarsdale Nov 2019 #24
That is great news! mcar Nov 2019 #5
I hear you KentuckyWoman Nov 2019 #7
My township is still 100% fascist and the only thing they endorse is tRump. nt yaesu Nov 2019 #8
I'm 72 yr and have never voted for a Republican vlyons Nov 2019 #9
Excellent! Mersky Nov 2019 #10
We used to have some great people who were Republicans not so much anymore Botany Nov 2019 #11
"solar entrenches gas use" - gotta disagree with you there. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #12
You are free to believe what you wish... NNadir Nov 2019 #13
Well, let's just all curl up and die then. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #14
A better option would be to take science and engineering... NNadir Nov 2019 #20
OK. Let's also include economics. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #26
Sorry, but my information comes from the primary scientific literature. NNadir Nov 2019 #27
Ah, nuclear. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #28
I've been reading and considering Mr. nnadir's... EarnestPutz Nov 2019 #29
I'm an engineer too. lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #30
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #31
Facts John ONeill Nov 2019 #23
Agreed. Would like to see the cites and "facts". n/t MarcA Nov 2019 #15
Here's a wealth of good data lagomorph777 Nov 2019 #18
In many posts here, many of which involve... NNadir Nov 2019 #21
I agree - Complete Bullshit jpak Nov 2019 #17
One sentence is so concise and true: saying you are a Republican says what your ethical Karadeniz Nov 2019 #16
I live in a small county in Northern California. Mr.Bill Nov 2019 #19
My dream ThoughtCriminal Nov 2019 #22
It'd be nice.. Maxheader Nov 2019 #25
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