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Celerity

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68. yes, including anti-Semitic hate crimes, which is linked to a large degree with the massive
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:10 PM
Nov 2019

level of immigration from the Islamic world and increased mor in terms of a percentage than anyother type. Racist hate crimes still make up the vast majority however.

Hate crimes increase in Sweden: Here's a breakdown of the stats

We had an extraordinarily success rate of taking in and integrating refugees for decades (often coming from US started wars and coups d'état such as Iran in 1953 (Operation Ajax where Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown and Shah Reza Phlavi installed) and Chile in 1973 when Salvador Allende was overthrown and murdered. There were 2 main differences between the previous influxes and the ones that have taken place over the past 20 years (especially the last 16 or 17 or so.)

The first is obviously the scale. One can but imagine the social upheaval that would have occurred in the US if it had taken in around 50 million or so refugees since the turn of the millennium. In the past here, the numbers were far, far smaller, and there was often longer periods of time between the flows, during which the country was able to more or less (nothing is perfect obviously) successfully absorb and integrate the newcomers. The last 15 or 20 years has not been the case. The system has been overwhelmed, with multiple shocks to the system, ofttimes with partial breakdown results and socio-cultural, socio-economic negative inflection points. This has now extended to the political sphere with the rise of the far right hyper nationalist Sweden Democrats Party (SD). They have, on occasion polled as high as 30% or so, although they had unexpectedly poor (but still by far their all-time high of 17.53%, but they were expected to hit 25 to 27%) in the 2018 elections.

The second main difference has been the socio-economic typology difference between previous groups and the groups of the past 20 or so years. Afar greater percent in the early flows were from a much higher socio-economic class, with many of them (but NOT all) power elites and bourgeoisie who simple were on the losing side in the coups and wars. They brought, in many cases, multiple generations (in the case of some, literally hundreds of years) of familial and social set success in terms of business and political outcomes. They were able to much more quickly adapt and thrive within the Swedish overall zeitgeist.

This has not been the case with the vast majority of the refugees over the past 15 to 20 years. They have arrived here with decades of war/conflict shattered family lives, and very little long term histories (compared to the previous waves) of social and economic successes. Sweden has been, post WWII, always amongst the most equal nations (often number 1) for decades in terms of wealth equality (the number one overarching statistic in determining the overall well being of nation-state) as well as upward social mobility. The Nordic nations have long ago surpassed the US in terms of social mobility. In fact, the the US has a large social mobility (especially in terms of income elasticity) problem, in some measures only superseded by the UK when it comes to other western nations.

This in now changing in Sweden as we are seeing a pretty substantial downturn now in both our wealth equality (GINI coefficient) as well as social mobility, much of it due to the rise (for the first time in ages) of a much more entrenched semi-permanent (trending towards permanency, unfortunately, although this CAN be addressed and is a major focus of mine atm) underclass, often correlated with the huge influx of refugee and other types of lower socioeconomic immigration. I am positive that given time we can overcome all these major structural issues, but is is so not going to be a smooth ride. It is so important that we do work on it and work on it successfully, as SD is now once again polling much highers than they have any right to. I am so glad we are far more tolerant than Denmark and Finland have become (and Norway to a lesser extent) but we simply cannot take in another wave of around 1.5 million refugees over the next 10, 15 or so years.

We at present only have 10.1 million people here and we are are now more diverse than the US itself in terms of population percentage of non European foreign born and their first 2 gens (some studies show we are approaching 27, 28, even 30%.) IF Rump starts a ME-wide major war (Iran, Syria, etc etc etc) and we were to take in another 1.5 million, the results will be extremely deleterious at a multiplicity of levels. Imagine the US taking in (from 2000 to 2030) close to 100 million refugees from the most war-torn parts of the world, the vast, vast majority coming from basically ZERO traditions of a pluralist western democratic society, and the vast majority following a religion that is not at all judeo-christian or secular atheist/agnostic in orientation. As bad as it can get here, THAT would cause America to explode, unfortunately.

"If I can't buy something the poors can't, how will I know I'm better than them!?" tenderfoot Nov 2019 #1
Yes, that's exactly the point. malthaussen Nov 2019 #57
Well said, sir. blm Nov 2019 #2
Great reply malaise Nov 2019 #3
Great country Roy Rolling Nov 2019 #18
Those I know are wonderful people malaise Nov 2019 #40
Jeg elsker f***ing Danmark! Fritz Walter Nov 2019 #45
I married one! Roy Rolling Nov 2019 #69
Donny Deutsch only gets credit for being a critic of Trump PJMcK Nov 2019 #4
+1000 tenderfoot Nov 2019 #7
✔️ blm Nov 2019 #8
"Never forget where they really come from" and where they will return when opportune erronis Nov 2019 #20
THIS! NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #25
+1, and they'll go right back to it once Trump is out of office uponit7771 Nov 2019 #43
Exactly. They've all spent their careers turning the GOP into what it is today. JHB Nov 2019 #63
Abso-fuckin'-lutely. ancianita Nov 2019 #66
I could not agree more. Douchebag Donnie is another that didn't make his money.... Raster Nov 2019 #73
"My parents worked really hard for their fortune...eff the rest of you lazy people" Docreed2003 Nov 2019 #5
Yup. KPN Nov 2019 #62
K & R...to infinity... dhill926 Nov 2019 #6
Deutsch should know better. Most people don't buy their own... brush Nov 2019 #9
Donnie "I Inherited My Money & Business Just Like The Traitor Did" Deutch Me. Nov 2019 #10
Denmark would be OK with me. Hoyt Nov 2019 #11
I think that's f**king Denmark. trof Nov 2019 #78
I'd be happy with the US Bettie Nov 2019 #12
OMG becoming more like Denmark sounds like heaven! renate Nov 2019 #13
The "America first'' crowd could Harker Nov 2019 #15
Anyone not wanting to join Scarsdale Nov 2019 #31
that increases the overall health care costs Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #48
I think that could be said about any topic in any context nt renate Nov 2019 #38
Banality Harker Nov 2019 #64
F***ing A man, f***ing A!!! Martin Eden Nov 2019 #14
Most severe burn I've seen in a while Dirty Socialist Nov 2019 #16
I agree - you Dirty Socialist! Wawannabe Nov 2019 #24
Shut Faux pas Nov 2019 #17
Denmark is the happiest country on Earth. OliverQ Nov 2019 #19
I think most here would prefer Sweden, Denmark is far more nationalist and is really cracking down Celerity Nov 2019 #28
Thanks for your post. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #39
Nationalism is not too terrible as long as it's limited soldierant Nov 2019 #81
Sweden's hate crimes are rising dramatically, unfortunately. JudyM Nov 2019 #53
yes, including anti-Semitic hate crimes, which is linked to a large degree with the massive Celerity Nov 2019 #68
Interesting, Celerity! JudyM Nov 2019 #83
Meh still preferable to this shitbox BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #80
They use the power of government to make life better for all. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #21
OMG! warmfeet Nov 2019 #22
Wow Wawannabe Nov 2019 #23
Quite a clear picture there. Aussie105 Nov 2019 #26
Does he want "F***ing Honduras" instead? DBoon Nov 2019 #27
Really! oldsoftie Nov 2019 #51
No, he really wants fucking Haiti... malthaussen Nov 2019 #59
You got me at "We're fucking Denmark" IronLionZion Nov 2019 #29
Douchebag Deutsch and his opinions can go pound salt. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2019 #30
what an arrogant asshole Skittles Nov 2019 #32
OMG! This guy rocks it. Joinfortmill Nov 2019 #33
i knew an older danish man. he gotcar + he had asthma + pneumonia. spent weeks in inesive pansypoo53219 Nov 2019 #34
Well yeah. moondust Nov 2019 #35
Denmark is the home of Lundbeck. roamer65 Nov 2019 #36
This is the mindset of the ruling class ritapria Nov 2019 #37
It's odd, yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2019 #41
Recommended democrank Nov 2019 #42
He's a total deutsch bag. NCLefty Nov 2019 #44
Perfect example of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" HAB911 Nov 2019 #46
A million recs and copies special delivered BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2019 #47
And Denmark is more "business friendly" than the US Recursion Nov 2019 #49
I can think of a lot WORSE things than being like Denmark. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #50
And for all those cheering Denmark, they also have a 25% VAT. You're welcome. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #52
For a relatively contented population, such as Denmark, the VAT is worth it. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #55
And the poor would be covered under a new healthcare system. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #56
"Our tax revenues give everyone health care, education and a strong social support system, ... JudyM Nov 2019 #54
Would that the US would turn into "fucking Denmark." malthaussen Nov 2019 #58
I f***ing love his response Mersky Nov 2019 #60
Hoo boy. I need to move to Denmark. Texin Nov 2019 #61
Bravo. area51 Nov 2019 #65
No doubt, Donny considers himself sammythecat Nov 2019 #67
Born on third base and thinks he hit a triple to get there. Raster Nov 2019 #74
As if turning America into Denmark is a bad thing Glaisne Nov 2019 #70
Dems better get to work and produce a bumpersticker Sogo Nov 2019 #71
The botom line is The Wizard Nov 2019 #72
K&R Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #75
Some data from Denmark ministry of health Progressive dog Nov 2019 #76
Investing in the people is what real governments do. But not kakistocracies & kleptocracies Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #77
Donny Douche is NOT ON OUR SIDE. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #79
Truth colsohlibgal Nov 2019 #82
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