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Celerity

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28. I think most here would prefer Sweden, Denmark is far more nationalist and is really cracking down
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:56 PM
Nov 2019

hard on immigrants. Sweden (I am living in Stockholm atm) had went too far the opposite way (we took in a jaw-dropping US-population -adjusted equivalent of almost 50 MILLION refugees between 2002 and 2017, and it has caused a tonne of socio-economic issues) and Denmark and Norway and Finland looked on in horror and moved to the right on immigration.

Sweden has started to balance it out now (it took SD (Sverigedemokraterna ie. Sweden Democrats), the far right wing anti-immigrant party being elected into the Riksdag, ie. the Swedish Parliament, to get them to wake up though.) In Denmark (and Finland as well, Norway is the most balanced of all four, although still more harsh than Sweden), the centre-left and centre-right parties coalesced around a much more right-leaning stance in regards to immigrants,and especially refugees. Much of it was due to the electoral success (far beyong SD in Sweden) of the far-right Danish People's Party ie. Dansk Folkeparti, DF. They had a really bad 2019 election, so hopefully the policies are moderated.


In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant ‘Ghettos’

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/world/europe/denmark-immigrant-ghettos.html



COPENHAGEN — When Rokhaia Naassan gives birth in the coming days, she and her baby boy will enter a new category in the eyes of Danish law. Because she lives in a low-income immigrant neighborhood described by the government as a “ghetto,” Rokhaia will be what the Danish newspapers call a “ghetto parent” and he will be a “ghetto child.” Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.

Denmark’s government is introducing a new set of laws to regulate life in 25 low-income and heavily Muslim enclaves, saying that if families there do not willingly merge into the country’s mainstream, they should be compelled. For decades, integrating immigrants has posed a thorny challenge to the Danish model, intended to serve a small, homogeneous population. Leaders are focusing their ire on urban neighborhoods where immigrants, some of them placed there by the government, live in dense concentrations with high rates of unemployment and gang violence. Politicians’ description of the ghettos has become increasingly sinister. In his annual New Year’s speech, Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen warned that ghettos could “reach out their tentacles onto the streets” by spreading violence, and that because of ghettos, “cracks have appeared on the map of Denmark.” Politicians who once used the word “integration” now call frankly for “assimilation.”

That tough approach is embodied in the “ghetto package.” Of 22 proposals presented by the government in early March, most have been agreed upon by a parliamentary majority, and more will be subject to a vote in the fall.



Some are punitive: One measure under consideration would allow courts to double the punishment for certain crimes if they are committed in one of the 25 neighborhoods classified as ghettos, based on residents’ income, employment status, education levels, number of criminal convictions and “non-Western background.” Another would impose a four-year prison sentence on immigrant parents who force their children to make extended visits to their country of origin — described here as “re-education trips” —in that way damaging their “schooling, language and well-being.” Another would allow local authorities to increase their monitoring and surveillance of “ghetto” families.

Some proposals have been rejected as too radical, like one from the far-right Danish People’s Party that would confine “ghetto children” to their homes after 8 p.m. (Challenged on how this would be enforced, Martin Henriksen, the chairman of Parliament’s integration committee, suggested in earnest that young people in these areas could be fitted with electronic ankle bracelets.)

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"If I can't buy something the poors can't, how will I know I'm better than them!?" tenderfoot Nov 2019 #1
Yes, that's exactly the point. malthaussen Nov 2019 #57
Well said, sir. blm Nov 2019 #2
Great reply malaise Nov 2019 #3
Great country Roy Rolling Nov 2019 #18
Those I know are wonderful people malaise Nov 2019 #40
Jeg elsker f***ing Danmark! Fritz Walter Nov 2019 #45
I married one! Roy Rolling Nov 2019 #69
Donny Deutsch only gets credit for being a critic of Trump PJMcK Nov 2019 #4
+1000 tenderfoot Nov 2019 #7
✔️ blm Nov 2019 #8
"Never forget where they really come from" and where they will return when opportune erronis Nov 2019 #20
THIS! NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #25
+1, and they'll go right back to it once Trump is out of office uponit7771 Nov 2019 #43
Exactly. They've all spent their careers turning the GOP into what it is today. JHB Nov 2019 #63
Abso-fuckin'-lutely. ancianita Nov 2019 #66
I could not agree more. Douchebag Donnie is another that didn't make his money.... Raster Nov 2019 #73
"My parents worked really hard for their fortune...eff the rest of you lazy people" Docreed2003 Nov 2019 #5
Yup. KPN Nov 2019 #62
K & R...to infinity... dhill926 Nov 2019 #6
Deutsch should know better. Most people don't buy their own... brush Nov 2019 #9
Donnie "I Inherited My Money & Business Just Like The Traitor Did" Deutch Me. Nov 2019 #10
Denmark would be OK with me. Hoyt Nov 2019 #11
I think that's f**king Denmark. trof Nov 2019 #78
I'd be happy with the US Bettie Nov 2019 #12
OMG becoming more like Denmark sounds like heaven! renate Nov 2019 #13
The "America first'' crowd could Harker Nov 2019 #15
Anyone not wanting to join Scarsdale Nov 2019 #31
that increases the overall health care costs Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #48
I think that could be said about any topic in any context nt renate Nov 2019 #38
Banality Harker Nov 2019 #64
F***ing A man, f***ing A!!! Martin Eden Nov 2019 #14
Most severe burn I've seen in a while Dirty Socialist Nov 2019 #16
I agree - you Dirty Socialist! Wawannabe Nov 2019 #24
Shut Faux pas Nov 2019 #17
Denmark is the happiest country on Earth. OliverQ Nov 2019 #19
I think most here would prefer Sweden, Denmark is far more nationalist and is really cracking down Celerity Nov 2019 #28
Thanks for your post. BlueMTexpat Nov 2019 #39
Nationalism is not too terrible as long as it's limited soldierant Nov 2019 #81
Sweden's hate crimes are rising dramatically, unfortunately. JudyM Nov 2019 #53
yes, including anti-Semitic hate crimes, which is linked to a large degree with the massive Celerity Nov 2019 #68
Interesting, Celerity! JudyM Nov 2019 #83
Meh still preferable to this shitbox BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #80
They use the power of government to make life better for all. Kid Berwyn Nov 2019 #21
OMG! warmfeet Nov 2019 #22
Wow Wawannabe Nov 2019 #23
Quite a clear picture there. Aussie105 Nov 2019 #26
Does he want "F***ing Honduras" instead? DBoon Nov 2019 #27
Really! oldsoftie Nov 2019 #51
No, he really wants fucking Haiti... malthaussen Nov 2019 #59
You got me at "We're fucking Denmark" IronLionZion Nov 2019 #29
Douchebag Deutsch and his opinions can go pound salt. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2019 #30
what an arrogant asshole Skittles Nov 2019 #32
OMG! This guy rocks it. Joinfortmill Nov 2019 #33
i knew an older danish man. he gotcar + he had asthma + pneumonia. spent weeks in inesive pansypoo53219 Nov 2019 #34
Well yeah. moondust Nov 2019 #35
Denmark is the home of Lundbeck. roamer65 Nov 2019 #36
This is the mindset of the ruling class ritapria Nov 2019 #37
It's odd, yortsed snacilbuper Nov 2019 #41
Recommended democrank Nov 2019 #42
He's a total deutsch bag. NCLefty Nov 2019 #44
Perfect example of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" HAB911 Nov 2019 #46
A million recs and copies special delivered BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2019 #47
And Denmark is more "business friendly" than the US Recursion Nov 2019 #49
I can think of a lot WORSE things than being like Denmark. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #50
And for all those cheering Denmark, they also have a 25% VAT. You're welcome. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #52
For a relatively contented population, such as Denmark, the VAT is worth it. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #55
And the poor would be covered under a new healthcare system. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #56
"Our tax revenues give everyone health care, education and a strong social support system, ... JudyM Nov 2019 #54
Would that the US would turn into "fucking Denmark." malthaussen Nov 2019 #58
I f***ing love his response Mersky Nov 2019 #60
Hoo boy. I need to move to Denmark. Texin Nov 2019 #61
Bravo. area51 Nov 2019 #65
No doubt, Donny considers himself sammythecat Nov 2019 #67
Born on third base and thinks he hit a triple to get there. Raster Nov 2019 #74
As if turning America into Denmark is a bad thing Glaisne Nov 2019 #70
Dems better get to work and produce a bumpersticker Sogo Nov 2019 #71
The botom line is The Wizard Nov 2019 #72
K&R Sherman A1 Nov 2019 #75
Some data from Denmark ministry of health Progressive dog Nov 2019 #76
Investing in the people is what real governments do. But not kakistocracies & kleptocracies Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #77
Donny Douche is NOT ON OUR SIDE. BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #79
Truth colsohlibgal Nov 2019 #82
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