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garybeck

(9,939 posts)
Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:27 PM Oct 2019

Why we can't just admit that universal health care should be paid by taxes???? [View all]

Yes, your taxes will go up! Yes they will!

BUT>>>>>> and that is a BIG BUT!!!

BUT, you will have MORE money in your pocket overall, because you won't be paying monthly premiums, copays, and deductibles.

SO OVERALL, THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WILL PAY LESS!

I don't understand, why they can't just say it.

Say it NOW.

It's not a nuance. It's not something we should be scared to explain, thinking people are too stupid to understand and they will freak out when they hear "taxes will go up."

JUST SAY IT!

Taxes will go up. Your take home pay will go up. Overall, most people will end up with MORE MONEY in their pocket.

That is the whole point of doing it in the first place!!! To SAVE MONEY for AMERICANS.

When we take PROFIT out of the picture, and have a SINGLE PAYER, the first thing is the that the overall costs GO DOWN for health care. So we all SAVE MONEY. Do to this, we all pay together.

Why, when Dems get asked "how are you going to pay for universal health care? are taxes going to go up?" they shake in their shoes and they beat around the bush and they don't just answer the question.

YES TAXES WILL GO UP. BUT MOST AMERICANS WILL HAVE MORE MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS BECAUSE THE PROFIT WILL GO AWAY AND EVERYONE WILL BE CONTRIBUTING.

YES YOUR TAXES WILL GO UP, BUT THAT $750 PER MONTH YOU ARE PAYING FOR YOUR FAMILY JUST TO HAVE A PLAN THAT STILL MAKES YOU PAY FOR A LOT OF HEALTH CARE COSTS (COPAY, DEDUCTIBLES, PREMIUMS.....), THAT WILL GO AWAY IN EXCHANGE.

So take your pick. you can pay MORE with your premiums, deductibles, and copays, or you can pay LESS with taxes.

I think most people will take the latter.

I think the Dems, thus far, are losing this discussion and no one, including those who are putting universal health care on the front of their agenda, no one is explaining this in a simple way and admitting, YES, you will pay for health care through TAXES, but it will cost LESS than you are paying now.

Tonight in the debate I saw it again. No one will admit that taxes will go up, and simply explain that most people will end up saving money overall.

JUST SAY IT, and BEAT IT LIKE A DRUM, so that 12 months from now, when they go to the ballot box, people will have gotten it long ago.

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That's what Warren should have said. Turin_C3PO Oct 2019 #1
exactly! even the other D's are attacking her because she won't JUST SAY IT garybeck Oct 2019 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author DrToast Oct 2019 #10
Preach, Gary, Preach Duckandcover Oct 2019 #2
Elizabeth Warren needs to say it, not me. n/t garybeck Oct 2019 #4
I know, but you nailed it... Duckandcover Oct 2019 #5
I prefer to call it a National Insurance Contribution. mwooldri Oct 2019 #6
If we really wanted to support small business Phoenix61 Oct 2019 #7
You can say it, I can say it, Warren and Sanders can say it. Question is - will people believe it, Hoyt Oct 2019 #8
why is it with the hundreds of millions we pay think tanks each year SterlingPound Oct 2019 #61
The problem will be the elimination of private insurance. AJT Oct 2019 #9
The problem with that scheme is it creates a two-tier system. roamer65 Oct 2019 #13
There will always be multiple tiers of health insurance in a capitalistic society. unitedwethrive Oct 2019 #14
I don't agree AJT Oct 2019 #29
But a two-tier system is better than a no-tier system LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #44
All doctors and hospitals should only be allowed to accept payment from the single payor. roamer65 Oct 2019 #57
The problem is the middle class will Sewa Oct 2019 #11
GOP will also hammer the first part (higher taxes) only. And that will stick for a lot of people. NCLefty Oct 2019 #19
Most in this country are too stupid to realize that paying part/all of a monthly premium is a tax. roamer65 Oct 2019 #12
The problem is some jobs pay for good insurance marlakay Oct 2019 #15
Are you on Medicare already? moose65 Oct 2019 #47
Husband is I am not marlakay Oct 2019 #49
Your employer not paying for your healthcare could mean more salary for you. nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2019 #48
Like that will happen Freddie Oct 2019 #51
used to be that way. today however garybeck Oct 2019 #63
That's our situation garybeck. AllyCat Oct 2019 #66
Too difficult to message. Xolodno Oct 2019 #16
Eliminating military waste The Wizard Oct 2019 #17
Every time you buy something, you're paying for someone's health insurance. rickford66 Oct 2019 #18
No, taxes don't need to go up. USA spends as much already in taxes that go towards healthcare as Doodley Oct 2019 #20
Sadly Some Voters Think Universal Healthcare or M4A Means Free Healthcare Indykatie Oct 2019 #21
I think you answered your own question... Disaffected Oct 2019 #22
I'm on Medicare. I pay a PREMIUM of $155 a month to have dental vision and hearing stopbush Oct 2019 #23
That sounds right in theory... Bluedolphin1406 Oct 2019 #32
Well, my deductible on Medicare is $4500. That's for one person. stopbush Oct 2019 #33
My premiums alone ... Bluedolphin1406 Oct 2019 #36
Yeah, I've been paying for the Medicare coverage of "other people" stopbush Oct 2019 #38
No donut hole in S. 1129. roody Oct 2019 #40
Medical benefits are one of the things that are still good for gov't workers and teachers tirebiter Oct 2019 #24
I think most people that pay for health insurance now wouldn't save money with UHC. Captain Stern Oct 2019 #25
I don't know... Mike Nelson Oct 2019 #26
how to pay for it is ONE issue of a great many as the entire American Healthcare industry has beachbumbob Oct 2019 #27
BUT INSURANCE PREMIUMS WILL GO AWAY / replaced by a tax for National Health System. Captain Zero Oct 2019 #28
Medicare buy in for those that want it. Private insurance still available. Freethinker65 Oct 2019 #30
Well, my employee contribution BillyBobBrilliant Oct 2019 #31
What is stopping you from going on Medicare which has a monthly premium of $135? stopbush Oct 2019 #35
People complain about a tax increase.... Bluedolphin1406 Oct 2019 #34
Yes!! People don't get that companies are going to shift more and more of the insurance cost to PaulRevere08 Oct 2019 #37
Also several other tax funded programs would be absorbed into a universal program IronLionZion Oct 2019 #39
admitted :) RT Atlanta Oct 2019 #41
Societal Savings are not tax revenues and this plan will not work in the real world Gothmog Oct 2019 #42
Agreed. liberalmike27 Oct 2019 #43
Depending on employment status forthemiddle Oct 2019 #45
Because the US waited so long to even talk about single payer, its now so complicated LiberalLovinLug Oct 2019 #46
I think you may be right moose65 Oct 2019 #62
Insurance companies just drain money and help jack prices. MasonDreams Oct 2019 #50
It's simply messaging. an economist like dean baker should explain the huge upside of m4a Kurt V. Oct 2019 #52
no idea why she won't do it qazplm135 Oct 2019 #53
The guy who wrote the damn Bill said it last nite. MasonDreams Oct 2019 #54
It's hopeless kwolf68 Oct 2019 #55
That would be a political death sentence for whoever said it! Same goes for Medicare doc03 Oct 2019 #56
"PRESIDENT REAGAN WILL RAISE TAXES, AND SO WILL I. HE WON'T TELL YOU; I JUST DID" brooklynite Oct 2019 #58
Cut military waste The Wizard Oct 2019 #59
It's a halfwitted "gotcha" question, setup by the media, to be exploited by the GOP. Fuck em both Tarc Oct 2019 #60
Everybody wins! sarchasm Oct 2019 #64
People will believe it when they see it. So offer Medicare as a public option for anyone, pnwmom Oct 2019 #65
It's $250/month for my family coverage, but employer pays AllyCat Oct 2019 #67
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