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Recursion

(56,582 posts) Fri Jul 26, 2019, 08:25 AM Jul 2019

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I need you to breathe a fact in, savor it, and really accept it [View all]

Here it is:

Poor white Trump voters are not voting against their own interests. You are just appalled and horrified at what their interests are.

I need you to keep that in mind as we go forward with this election. We're not talking about duped simpletons or honest salt-of-the-Earth folk who have been swindled. The cruelty is the point, and that's what they want. We are talking about garbage people you wouldn't leave in charge of your kids. And they're a large part of our country, our communities, our families. But they've been given way too much rope here.

We need to go into this election open-eyed, knowing that there are a large number of Americans whose idea of America is fucking horrific.

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I need you to breathe a fact in, savor it, and really accept it [View all] Recursion Jul 2019 OP

+ 10000. And they are proud of it. Hoyt Jul 2019 #1

Benefits enid602 Jul 2019 #114

They don't care. They have so much self loathing they don't think they even deserve it. BamaRefugee Jul 2019 #119

Not at all. They think they deserve such things, PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 2019 #124

They are the definition od sadists. BigmanPigman Jul 2019 #125

I became aware of this right after the 2016 election Bettie Jul 2019 #2

Trump enables a lot of them. bearsfootball516 Jul 2019 #60

But we can't forget what they have shown us Bettie Jul 2019 #62

Oh, I don't know. llmart Jul 2019 #81

The horrific truth is that malaise Jul 2019 #3

These *things* - I can't call them beings - are lizard entities. If that. Texin Jul 2019 #51

Excellent, well-worded post. NBachers Jul 2019 #107

Oh they are human alright malaise Jul 2019 #129

In the 19th cent. we turned to education to enlighten the public.... DemocracyMouse Jul 2019 #52

I never had any illusions about the capacity of humans to vent hatred on others. BSdetect Jul 2019 #4

Perfectly stated, Recursion. I have had the same thoughts. You put them into words. Glorfindel Jul 2019 #5

It's both Recursion, watoos Jul 2019 #6

They haven't been fooled. They know exactly what they're doing StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #11

THIS. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #12

Well-said. volstork Jul 2019 #28

I dunno ... I think you are giving them too much credit ... they don't have an ability to reason KPN Jul 2019 #55

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that keeping black and brown people down means StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #66

Correct, this is saidsimplesimon Jul 2019 #103

They wish slavery were back DBoon Jul 2019 #64

Larger piece of a smaller pie. lagomorph777 Jul 2019 #110

Yep. At least 40% of our country are TRULY deplorable. Funtatlaguy Jul 2019 #7

Thank you. You are absolutely right StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #8

I have relatives that voted for trump and they are not racists. wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #131

If they're still supporting Trump, in my view, yes, they are racists StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #132

He got 35% latino vote and should have been 0%! Oregon1947 Jul 2019 #9

Most Latinos in the US are white Recursion Jul 2019 #10

Not true at all..like to know where you got your stats Oregon1947 Jul 2019 #13

The census Recursion Jul 2019 #14

In the 2010 Census about 53% of hispanics identified as white hispanics. IronLionZion Jul 2019 #26

53% "identifying" as white isn't close to "most" Oregon1947 Jul 2019 #29

Our party needs to work on that IronLionZion Jul 2019 #38

Hispanic is not a race on the census Unless one would pick "other" or is black+ some pick other but lunasun Jul 2019 #69

Anti-abortion Catholics jberryhill Jul 2019 #61

the Latinos and other minorities that support Trump are bigots also JI7 Jul 2019 #84

They are both voting for him BECAUSE of the cruelty and bigotry while ALSO Neema Jul 2019 #15

They are voting for their interests. They are not duped. They Politicub Jul 2019 #23

Yes. That is the worst thing about the Trump presidency, crazytown Jul 2019 #16

"The cruelty is the point, and that's what they want" Anon-C Jul 2019 #17

Yeah. I never believed that economic anxiety bullshit. Aristus Jul 2019 #18

But they do think that suppressing minorities will improve their own economic lot StarfishSaver Jul 2019 #21

K&R onecaliberal Jul 2019 #19

"The cruelty is the point." Politicub Jul 2019 #20

Increasing turnout on our side is better than trying to flip deplorables IronLionZion Jul 2019 #22

👏🏾 BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2019 #31

++ go inner city and reach out to new youth IMO not out to rural areas of bigotry and middle age lunasun Jul 2019 #59

For Republicans, the bait is racism/xenophobia; but the prize is financially screwing them (and us). VOX Jul 2019 #24

I'm waiting, Corgigal Jul 2019 #102

I feel that it will really happen shanti Jul 2019 #123

It's hard to gauge where Trumpists would finally balk. VOX Jul 2019 #135

Way too simplistic to be of any value. elevator48 Jul 2019 #25

Agreed..we honestly look ignorant when Oregon1947 Jul 2019 #30

Nope Recursion Jul 2019 #32

poor ppl have the lowest voter turnout. Kurt V. Jul 2019 #77

They do. And the lowest military service rate. Basically all our myths about poor Americans Recursion Jul 2019 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jul 2019 #90

my trumper "Christian" inlaws aren't so poor, mountain grammy Jul 2019 #27

Not so poor and stupid Traildogbob Jul 2019 #34

Here on LI NY... a red dot in a blue state TommyCelt Jul 2019 #45

I feel your pain! Traildogbob Jul 2019 #74

NJ 7th JustAnotherGen Jul 2019 #104

Trump's top economic group was households making $75K-$100K Recursion Jul 2019 #36

++ 1K to highlight this fact again . Poverty was not the big push to trump some like to imagine lunasun Jul 2019 #63

Because people on DU aren't above demonizing the poor. killaphill Jul 2019 #105

THIS!!! All day long. They don't care about FACTS or TRUTH at all Baltimike Jul 2019 #33

From the Buddhist perspective vlyons Jul 2019 #35

What about rich white Trump voters? Highly educated but watch FOX news. YOHABLO Jul 2019 #37

Rich people have entirely selfish interests for supporting Trump Recursion Jul 2019 #47

But the policies they support are cruel and racists.Not as much out in public like the ralliers ,but lunasun Jul 2019 #58

They are, quite simply, white supremacists. mainer Jul 2019 #39

Yes they voted for Chump, but nobody knew about Stephen Miller in 2016 FakeNoose Jul 2019 #40

The deplorables are getting screwed. Ligyron Jul 2019 #41

No, they're not. This is what we need to be open-eyed about Recursion Jul 2019 #70

NO!!!!! You are doing what Trump does. zaj Jul 2019 #42

Oh, they're human. All too human. Recursion Jul 2019 #49

"We are talking about garbage people" zaj Jul 2019 #53

Garbage people are people too Recursion Jul 2019 #54

More importantly, I humanize them by giving them the agency they claim Recursion Jul 2019 #57

Excellent - "I humanize them by giving them the agency they claim." harumph Jul 2019 #76

I understand that they are humans Bettie Jul 2019 #65

Yes they are ismnotwasm Jul 2019 #67

THANK YOU!! Locrian Jul 2019 #88

I can't wrap my head around it study war no more Jul 2019 #43

what percentage of them are just caught up in the cult? Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #44

Well spoken. Different Drummer Jul 2019 #46

Imo, far too simplistic and thus too much like hatemongering. Hortensis Jul 2019 #48

Not sure I really buy this 'study' ... real easy to get this sort of thing wrong mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #56

You CAN "buy" and reject whatever you choose. Hortensis Jul 2019 #71

I was only talking about the cited study ... mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #75

:) I once took an on-line test and learned I was RW Hortensis Jul 2019 #85

Disagree. I do know em. harumph Jul 2019 #82

I don't question the role of social media and the 24/7 news media and talking heads in fueling KPN Jul 2019 #93

And they feel exactly the same way about us The Mouth Jul 2019 #50

I had this experience a while back with a Trump-voting friend. greatauntoftriplets Jul 2019 #68

they do not all fit in one category paulkienitz Jul 2019 #72

No. His numbers went *up* after "send her home" Recursion Jul 2019 #73

50%, 40%, 30%? what fraction? harumph Jul 2019 #86

Amen!!!!! SallyHemmings Jul 2019 #78

no thanks. Kurt V. Jul 2019 #79

There was a German writer several months ago peggysue2 Jul 2019 #83

I've got a great idea! Let's demonize our fellow citizens because they don't agree with us!!!! jpljr77 Jul 2019 #87

No, I am not Recursion Jul 2019 #91

How many Germans supported Hitler fervently? harumph Jul 2019 #92

At first and no more than supported Trump uponit7771 Jul 2019 #136

In the last week, I have had two older white men get into conversation with me that it is white men silentEcho Jul 2019 #89

Yup Recursion Jul 2019 #94

After hearing the first one, I have been asking someone to explain it to me. silentEcho Jul 2019 #95

The word many people use is "privilege". Take the idea of "wage stagnation". Recursion Jul 2019 #97

Maybe my brain just doesn't process this the same. White men are still making more silentEcho Jul 2019 #99

That is correct: a white man with a high school diploma still makes more Recursion Jul 2019 #100

This is a damned fine post. hunter Jul 2019 #117

The ones I know believe Trump and the GOP conservatives defacto7 Jul 2019 #96

You are absolutely correct. warmfeet Jul 2019 #98

We are living in the next phase of the Republican strategy to remake 1954 America. Marcuse Jul 2019 #101

Yes, they are full of *hatred*. nt Duppers Jul 2019 #109

I disagree. Many of them are indeed duped simpletons. LonePirate Jul 2019 #106

Ok, but don't you think their tendency to harumph Jul 2019 #108

I agree with you. nt Duppers Jul 2019 #111

I think some of them are angry and want to lash out. The right has given them that mechanism. LonePirate Jul 2019 #115

I've been saying this... Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #112

Hillary called them... Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #113

I Don't Buy It lefty2000 Jul 2019 #116

It's time we end the Civil War. hunter Jul 2019 #118

Yes, stop the hate ok? We hate too wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #128

26.5% of eligible voters, voted for DT. 58Sunliner Jul 2019 #120

Hope v. Hate (William Faulkner) DemoTex Jul 2019 #121

Faulkner knew his South! lunatica Jul 2019 #130

Human beings are complex. Collimator Jul 2019 #122

Recommended Ponietz Jul 2019 #126

I have relatives who are poor trump supporters. wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #127

Many are imbalanced, bitter, angry and focus this anger on hate of minorities. PatrickforO Jul 2019 #133

Mel Brooks had it right GoneOffShore Jul 2019 #134