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In reply to the discussion: Politico: "Pelosi rebuffs Nadler on impeachment after Mueller flop" [View all]Nuggets
(525 posts)21. And then there's this:
Yes, You Can Indict the President
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/26/opinion/indict-president-trial.html
One of the perplexing questions of constitutional law is what to do about a sitting president who is suspected of having committed a crime. This much is clear: A sitting president should not be required to submit to a criminal trial, an undertaking that would be incompatible with the duties of the nations chief executive.
That should not, however, preclude a grand jury from indicting a president when the facts and the law warrant, even if the trial itself has to be postponed until he or she is no longer in office.
An indictment in this context serves a critically important purpose: Without it, the usual five-year statute of limitations for most federal crimes would elapse, forever precluding a president from being held accountable for potentially serious crimes. Thus, a president should be indictable unless he agrees to waive any future defense that the statute of limitations expired during the presidents term.
There is nothing in the constitutional text or judicial precedent that provides for a categorical bar to the indictment of a sitting president. The closest the Supreme Court has come to addressing the question was in Clinton v. Jones in 1997, in which the issue was whether a president could delay until the end of his term a civil suit by a private individual. I argued Clinton v. Jones for the United States, urging the court to hold that a civil trial would unduly impair a presidents ability to carry out his duties. The court unanimously rejected that position.
In Clinton v. Jones the entire court agreed that the fact that a federal courts exercising of its constitutional power to hear a case may significantly burden the time and attention of the chief executive is not sufficient to establish a violation of the Constitution. Mere indictment of a president would not meet the stringent standard in Clinton v. Jones for presidential immunity from ordinary legal processes.
An indictment would, of course, place a cloud over a presidency, even if all further proceedings were postponed. But in many such instances there will already be a cloud over the Oval Office. And a president has a uniquely powerful platform for publicly responding to charges.
No one should be above the law. Barring indictment could even provide a powerful incentive for presidents to seek a second term to insure that the time for all possible criminal charges elapsed while they were in office.
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Whether indicting a sitting president would facilitate or inhibit the pursuit of justice is a question calling not just for logic but for wisdom and judgment as well. The exercise of that judgment, however, should not be inhibited by an assumption that indictment is categorically barred by the Constitution.
In any event, before a prosecutor declines to indict a president, he should seek an agreement that the president will not subsequently seek to bar prosecution based on deadlines that expired while he was in office. The White House should not be a sanctuary from justice.
-Walter Dellinger was an assistant attorney general and the head of the Office of Legal Counsel at the Department of Justice from 1993 to 1996 and was acting solicitor general from 1996 to 1997.
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Politico: "Pelosi rebuffs Nadler on impeachment after Mueller flop" [View all]
Laura PourMeADrink
Jul 2019
OP
Well she is getting good at stamping out all of those wildfires that are popping up.
CentralMass
Jul 2019
#1
How can it be explained to you that we know the senate will not convict Trump
standingtall
Jul 2019
#9
True nothing in the constution barring a sitting President from being indicted,but guess
standingtall
Jul 2019
#23
This AG has the discretion as to whether or not the DOJ will indict. He will not.
ehrnst
Jul 2019
#50
Impeachment isn't a criminal proceeding. It's a political one. It will do zero about his crimes.
ehrnst
Jul 2019
#25
I never said impeachment was a political proceeding you must be confusing me with someone else
standingtall
Jul 2019
#55
it is a form of political justice the founders of our country and the krafters of our constitution
standingtall
Jul 2019
#61
So again... why aren't you demanding the impeachment of Thomas and Kavanaugh ASAP
ehrnst
Jul 2019
#67
He's declaring victory this morning. Nancy needs to stop giving him ammunition to use
Autumn
Jul 2019
#54
There is some rumbling on twitter about what a GREAT speaker Adam Schiff would be....
Grasswire2
Jul 2019
#6
If his fellow Dems in the House think so, and he's interested, they'll select him.
ehrnst
Jul 2019
#41
You are basically saying the House investigators can find more than Mueller.
former9thward
Jul 2019
#86
It occurred to me that there's a good reason why impeachment has not yet started
DonaldsRump
Jul 2019
#89
Characterizing the Mueller hearing as a 'flop' is a right wing talking point
Farmer-Rick
Jul 2019
#32
I should have been clearer. He said he spoke to unnamed Democratic Members
StarfishSaver
Jul 2019
#44
The Senate will acquit Trump from all impeachment charges. Then it's completely over.
WhoWoodaKnew
Jul 2019
#38
Richard Nixon was nowhere near as savvy as Trump regarding conning people.
WhoWoodaKnew
Jul 2019
#87
are you aware Politico is funded by right-wingers? Anything you read there should be taken
emulatorloo
Jul 2019
#73