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thomhartmann

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Wed Jun 19, 2019, 05:20 PM Jun 2019

Going Vegan Can Save the Planet, What's Stopping You? [View all]

What Would Prevent You From Going Vegan If It both Saved the World & Your Body?

Want to save the world, save some money, and live a few years longer than you might otherwise? You can do all three at once by simply going vegan. The single most powerful thing that any American can do to fight global climate change is to stop eating meat and dairy products. It’s also the single most effective way to prevent a heart attack or a stroke, as we’ve learned from people like Bill Clinton who have become vegans after having a heart attack.

There are vegan bodybuilders, vegan politicians like Cory Booker, and everyday vegans all across the country who are doing their part to help save this world. Eating meat and dairy not only pollutes the atmosphere and environment, but it also pollutes your body and your mind. Cardiovascular disease is one of the leading causes of age-related dementia, and meat and dairy products speed up the deterioration of your veins and arteries.

In every regard, one of the best things you can do for yourself and your life is to become vegan.

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I hate fruits and veggies meow2u3 Jun 2019 #1
Slimy? Codeine Jun 2019 #15
I like okra and tomatoes and gumbos, but not crazy about plain okra. dameatball Jun 2019 #32
unless it's fried PupCamo Jun 2019 #52
Yes, forgot about that. Good one...:) dameatball Jun 2019 #59
I hate broccoli and am not allowed peas meow2u3 Jun 2019 #181
Good. More fruit for me! (n/t) Retrograde Jun 2019 #25
Happily vegan for 8 years. I feel like a won the trifecta. Doremus Jun 2019 #2
Same here. sandensea Jun 2019 #159
I can see cutting back on meats Sherman A1 Jun 2019 #3
I just try to minimize my meat consumption Calculating Jun 2019 #4
"Sometimes you just gotta have a darn hamburger you know" Codeine Jun 2019 #17
Well whoop dee friggen doo doo. DinahMoeHum Jun 2019 #73
If seafood is allowed I could do it. I'm like a freakin' walrus and probably should brewens Jun 2019 #108
Have you tried the Beyond Burger essme Jun 2019 #219
Bad choice - pea protein is one of the main ingredients and pea protein is loaded with glyphosate womanofthehills Jun 2019 #259
Oh noes! essme Jun 2019 #260
Who is addressing the pesticides? Not the US government?? EPA loves glyphosate womanofthehills Jun 2019 #266
Just food for thought Bettie Jun 2019 #5
For me it's much more about avoiding horrible cruelty than saving the planet. mucifer Jun 2019 #10
I rarely eat meat, but I have to wonder. Tipperary Jun 2019 #18
A lot of breeds would disappear Red Mountain Jun 2019 #34
You would have them running loose, up and down every street in the U. S., like in big parts of demosincebirth Jun 2019 #140
Do you understand what manner of "life" they lead? Is that what any feeling being would wish Maru Kitteh Jun 2019 #145
Well, well, well. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #38
Not if glyphosate is being sprayed on all our food - and now on some foods right before harvest womanofthehills Jun 2019 #70
My father and I have been making parts of that argument for years. Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #49
Agreed - How about only buying grass fed beef - healthier and no glyphosate womanofthehills Jun 2019 #67
the methane from livestock has the biggest detrimental impact on the planet, so MLAA Jun 2019 #82
There were massive herds of buffalo customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #115
20 to 30 million buffalo v. almost 90 million cows. essme Jun 2019 #264
Don't like no carrots, can't stand no peas Brother Buzz Jun 2019 #6
Humans evolved to be omnivores Lheurch Jun 2019 #7
Totally agree. Keto is the way to go! Dream Girl Jun 2019 #35
Started Keto last week ChazII Jun 2019 #76
Warm thoughts headed your way voteearlyvoteoften Jun 2019 #84
What is GBM? smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #242
It is a brain tumor. ChazII Jun 2019 #248
Oh, I am so sorry. How are you feeling? smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #253
Hugs are appreciated and welcome. ChazII Jun 2019 #255
So it is your son and not you? That must be so hard for you and your family. Either way, it is smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #263
He is given 15 months to live ChazII Jun 2019 #265
Oh Chaz, I am so sorry to hear that! I am sure he will beat this. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #274
Last Monday of radiation ChazII Jun 2019 #286
Yes indeed. The_jackalope Jun 2019 #41
Yup, and I've found eliminating sugars dramatically improved mental clarity Amishman Jun 2019 #201
Keto makes so much sense when you think about it Drahthaardogs Jun 2019 #99
or, how about just eating everything in moderation Skittles Jun 2019 #119
I started Keto one month ago under a doctor's care. phylny Jun 2019 #246
You would be a good spokesperson for the beef industry. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #252
Well, vitamin B12 to start. tinrobot Jun 2019 #8
vegans take vitamin B12 it's no big deal. mucifer Jun 2019 #11
I've been a vegan for thirty years. Codeine Jun 2019 #13
I died from lack of protein. mucifer Jun 2019 #21
I almost died from eating meat Mendocino Jun 2019 #63
I'm so sorry for your loss. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #281
Vegans also need to take taurine womanofthehills Jun 2019 #69
No they don't. Codeine Jun 2019 #78
So why have they been adding it to baby formula for yrs? womanofthehills Jun 2019 #196
Because mothers make extra taurine Codeine Jun 2019 #198
Other views on taurine - two sides to everything - nothing is a definite womanofthehills Jun 2019 #229
I have no idea what taurine is. MLAA Jun 2019 #83
You don't need to know what it is. Codeine Jun 2019 #87
Yep, couldn't imagine I needed it. MLAA Jun 2019 #89
Lots of studies say the opposite - we could benefit from taurine supplimentation womanofthehills Jun 2019 #114
Cat food has added taurine Codeine Jun 2019 #118
If they are cats, yes Retrograde Jun 2019 #86
It's cats that require taurine in their diets. Mariana Jun 2019 #155
There are Vegan Vitamin B12 supplements. Blue_true Jun 2019 #45
I've lowered my Mendocino Jun 2019 #9
Give it up. Codeine Jun 2019 #12
Nailed it. flvegan Jun 2019 #110
Im a vegan now largely because of your posts in the past JonLP24 Jun 2019 #158
I flvegan Jun 2019 #240
Ah, bacon zipplewrath Jun 2019 #205
Boo. Hoo. Inkfreak Jun 2019 #236
Bacon. nt TeamPooka Jun 2019 #14
I like meat sarisataka Jun 2019 #16
Vegetarian for years LyndaG Jun 2019 #19
Same. I'm pretty much vegetarian (I cheat a few times a year) tishaLA Jun 2019 #64
Cheese Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #282
I like meat. I'm ok with people being vegan but I really don't comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #20
I have no problem with people being vegan either Lheurch Jun 2019 #22
Dietary fetishes customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #122
I wouldn't care what you chose to eat, except for the methane impact on the planet and the animal MLAA Jun 2019 #85
What about the impact on our bodies, air, soil and water of the tons of pesticides used on US food? womanofthehills Jun 2019 #230
It will not "save the world" or your body. former9thward Jun 2019 #23
and then they get heart disease and diabetes when they rarely had it before mucifer Jun 2019 #95
What do vegans die of? former9thward Jun 2019 #104
Sanctimony. customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #117
My wife and kids are omnivores Codeine Jun 2019 #121
Now, didn't that make you feel better? customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #123
Honestly? Mostly the same shit that gets everyone. Codeine Jun 2019 #130
Some people MFM008 Jun 2019 #164
I have found that applies to vegans 100% as far as those I have met. former9thward Jun 2019 #178
You do recognize the logical flaw in that statement, yes? Codeine Jun 2019 #179
Im not a vegan. MFM008 Jun 2019 #215
Nope, not a chance. I've a few relations (through marriage) who are vegan, and they're miserable OnDoutside Jun 2019 #24
Why did the Vegan cross the road? MurrayDelph Jun 2019 #154
Yes, in my experience, that's so true to life. OnDoutside Jun 2019 #157
I'm not like that at all JonLP24 Jun 2019 #160
Without doubt you would one of the rare (no pun intended) ones ! Good for you. OnDoutside Jun 2019 #174
They're coming up with new meat substitutes all the time. LuvNewcastle Jun 2019 #26
Have you tried JudyM Jun 2019 #125
My daughter is a lover of beef Codeine Jun 2019 #132
Ha, nice! That also explains why the IPO went through the roof. JudyM Jun 2019 #187
Beyond Burger ingredient - 2% or less cellulose from bamboo, methylcellulose, potato starch, etc. womanofthehills Jun 2019 #267
Bamboo isn't wood, for fuck's sake. Codeine Jun 2019 #270
methyl cullulose is made from WOOD PULP and plants-FDA says it safe, but I just don't want to eat it womanofthehills Jun 2019 #290
It's not tiny pieces of wood pulp. Codeine Jun 2019 #294
We eat a very tiny part of a bamboo plant Retrograde Jun 2019 #296
I'll look for those. LuvNewcastle Jun 2019 #183
Many of the substitutes are made with GMO soy and peas - high in glyphosate womanofthehills Jun 2019 #231
That is a concern, but I think the problems with factory-farmed meat LuvNewcastle Jun 2019 #235
You can choose not to eat factory-farmed meat womanofthehills Jun 2019 #256
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #27
Two things Retrograde Jun 2019 #28
Cheese. Inkfreak Jun 2019 #238
12 of the Best Vegan Cheese Brands That Rival the Real Thing Celerity Jun 2019 #244
I would love to go vegan. rownesheck Jun 2019 #29
Try looking up a highly rated vegan restaurant and try lunch or dinner there. Blue_true Jun 2019 #50
That's largely your problem. There's no reason you have to eat pretend meat Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #54
That's very true ProudLib72 Jun 2019 #100
I've used the crumbles - Ms. Toad Jun 2019 #150
The crumbles are nice in a lasagna. Codeine Jun 2019 #180
I once went to an Indian buffet with friends customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #211
I second that recommendation Retrograde Jun 2019 #65
Most vegan hot dogs are gross. Codeine Jun 2019 #79
To be fair, most regular hot dogs are gross, too. nt. Mariana Jun 2019 #156
There is a happy medium... Phentex Jun 2019 #232
I posted the ingredients in beyond meat in an above post womanofthehills Jun 2019 #268
You won't be eating any wood. Codeine Jun 2019 #273
No, you will be eating sawdust - it's safe to eat - but it's sawdust womanofthehills Jun 2019 #292
Well, Idaho Forest Products say their trees are in our food womanofthehills Jun 2019 #293
I wish I liked more vegetables. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2019 #30
I am content as an Omnivore Siwsan Jun 2019 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #62
Cheese and bacon. n/t TygrBright Jun 2019 #33
Cheese is art Red Mountain Jun 2019 #36
I'm vegan about 2/3 of the year, but go through phases alittlelark Jun 2019 #37
I have your type of issue with beef. Blue_true Jun 2019 #56
We evolved as omnivores. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #39
I agree Lheurch Jun 2019 #40
Read the book Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #42
It likely caused us to survive as a species. nt Blue_true Jun 2019 #60
The only supplement vegans need.... MLAA Jun 2019 #88
Methane from livestock simply isn't the huge PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #208
Our appetite for meat and its ecological repercussions are significant in the permafrost thawing. JudyM Jun 2019 #216
Here is an article I posted a few days ago MLAA Jun 2019 #221
Evolution isn't impacted by what happens to you in middle age and senior years. JudyM Jun 2019 #191
It was the meat eaters, and the eaters of cooked food PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2019 #207
I could easily cut way back on meat, but I could not be vegan. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #43
For meat eaters most objections are about "like", "preference". gtar100 Jun 2019 #44
Vegetables make me really, really gassy. Blue_true Jun 2019 #46
My health. MuseRider Jun 2019 #47
You also could be allergic to the surphur vegetables womanofthehills Jun 2019 #124
It has been slow for me. MuseRider Jun 2019 #151
Was this post sponsored by RT? NightWatcher Jun 2019 #48
i try. I'm almost there Kurt V. Jun 2019 #51
It's rude to question other people's eating habits. gulliver Jun 2019 #53
Well said. +1 912gdm Jun 2019 #147
Good point Jokerman Jun 2019 #245
Our evolutionary ancestors scratched and clawed their way to the top of the food chain. TomSlick Jun 2019 #55
Godammit, Jesus singlehandedly domesticated dinosaurs for our dining pleasure! ProudLib72 Jun 2019 #102
Such awesome love for humanity! Thanks for the image. Never have seen it. It'll stay with me! n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2019 #137
I'm going to pass on that one fescuerescue Jun 2019 #57
Sushi, hamburgers, sushi, yakitori, gong bao ji ding, sushi, pangaia Jun 2019 #58
I'm mostly vegetarian but I won't give up cheese and butter tishaLA Jun 2019 #61
giving up dairy was what turned the trick for me 0rganism Jun 2019 #71
My kid is the opposite. Codeine Jun 2019 #80
It's very difficult to quit an addiction dustyscamp Jun 2019 #66
Especially when your body has evolved to need it Lheurch Jun 2019 #68
Lots of dead vegans posting here on this thread mucifer Jun 2019 #97
When I quit drinking alcohol, I didn't try to get everyone else to quit drinking alcohol. (n/t) Iggo Jun 2019 #72
Consuming eggs and dairy doesn't harm the planet. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #74
The idea that you don't get enough protein being vegan is a myth 😉 MLAA Jun 2019 #91
Yeah there is a lot of Vegan whey protein brands and non meat proteins out there dustyscamp Jun 2019 #92
The average person Mendocino Jun 2019 #116
$$, time to prep stuff, and availability of quality produce Arazi Jun 2019 #75
Depends on how one does it Retrograde Jun 2019 #143
My taste buds Fla_Democrat Jun 2019 #77
Thanks for posting. MLAA Jun 2019 #81
I wouldn't say zero downside Polybius Jun 2019 #90
Mashed potatoes are the one reason I could never be a vegan. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #136
Vegan butter is a thing now. Codeine Jun 2019 #139
I could possibly be talked into it. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #146
I haven't found one I like -- which do you use? JudyM Jun 2019 #192
Miyoko's Cultured Vegan Butter. Codeine Jun 2019 #202
Most of it is laden with palm oil. GoCubsGo Jun 2019 #197
That's the old-school margarine. Codeine Jun 2019 #200
No, that's all the "vegan" butter substitutes that are widely available. GoCubsGo Jun 2019 #206
Huh. Miyoko's is everywhere here. Codeine Jun 2019 #210
The best butter in the world is that Irish Butter womanofthehills Jun 2019 #269
Oh, yes! I have used Kerrygold before. smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #278
You made me think about why I experience no downside. MLAA Jun 2019 #93
My family sagetea Jun 2019 #94
I have my own chickens too and I feed them only organic feed and vegetables womanofthehills Jun 2019 #227
In a nutshell? quickesst Jun 2019 #96
Vegan dies! Mendocino Jun 2019 #254
I'm a bodybuilder, and I don't want to look like Thom Hartman Drahthaardogs Jun 2019 #98
check out these 10 vegan bodybuilders! diva77 Jun 2019 #105
Uh huh ..they ain't Dorian Yates or Jay Cutler Drahthaardogs Jun 2019 #163
There are some successful vegan bodybuilders. Codeine Jun 2019 #106
Eww! They are freakish looking! Not because they are vegan, but I think all body builders are smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #141
It isn't my bag, that's for sure. Codeine Jun 2019 #144
I do NOT find this "look" attractive. inanna Jun 2019 #195
LOL! flvegan Jun 2019 #111
I have advanced degrees in toxicology Drahthaardogs Jun 2019 #166
LOL, cool story bro. n/t flvegan Jun 2019 #241
I have stated it here many times bro. Drahthaardogs Jun 2019 #243
NFL running back Ricky Williams is a vegan JonLP24 Jun 2019 #161
Ricky Williams was a bust Drahthaardogs Jun 2019 #165
LOL JonLP24 Jun 2019 #168
NFL players' surprising performance hack: going vegan JonLP24 Jun 2019 #170
When Mike Ditka gives up his entire draft Drahthaardogs Jun 2019 #172
That is on Mike Ditka JonLP24 Jun 2019 #173
The trade wasn't made with Dallas. Captain Stern Jun 2019 #184
You're right Drahthaardogs Jun 2019 #223
Mike Ditka as a GM was a bust. Iggo Jun 2019 #257
Humans have been eating meat of all kinds since the beginning of time. Why should we stop now? I do demosincebirth Jun 2019 #101
Tried a few times Ahpook Jun 2019 #103
Because I don't want to be. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2019 #107
I don't expect our dogs to be vegan. hunter Jun 2019 #109
can we meat in the middle? Demonaut Jun 2019 #112
Are you trying to egg this poster on? n/t customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #120
You know what crusading vegetarians/vegans sound like here, in the General Discussion forum? customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #113
My feelings exactly. Archae Jun 2019 #126
Read my post #122 customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #128
Pea farms going up all over the prairies in canada. It is pea protein applegrove Jun 2019 #127
And if they can successfully do that, great customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #129
Supposedly the pea protein burgers taste the same as beef. I can't wait to try. applegrove Jun 2019 #131
I'm the cook in the house customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #133
They don't taste the same, really. Codeine Jun 2019 #134
Good to know. I'll adjust my expectations. applegrove Jun 2019 #138
Same here customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #212
Stay away from pea protein - tests show high levels of glyphosate womanofthehills Jun 2019 #194
That's depressing. Maybe the farms in canada's prairies don't use it? applegrove Jun 2019 #224
Actually, the northern part of the US & Canada often use glyphosate to dry their crops womanofthehills Jun 2019 #228
Because of the short Canadian growing seasons, all those peas are being dried with glyphosate womanofthehills Jun 2019 #271
Did not know that. I thought if they say it is organic it means no round up. applegrove Jun 2019 #276
No thanks, I love my BLT's demosincebirth Jun 2019 #135
Thinking about what's really involved can start weaning anyone away from early childhood habits. Judi Lynn Jun 2019 #142
Well said, Judi Lynn. Evolving consciousness is the only thing that can save the planet. JudyM Jun 2019 #193
I decided it wasn't good for me. MarvinGardens Jun 2019 #148
I don't deny I evolved as an omnivore? GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #149
taste... myohmy2 Jun 2019 #152
My digestion system MurrayDelph Jun 2019 #153
I still eat some tiny shrimp in salad MFM008 Jun 2019 #162
I do vegetarian on alternate days meadowlander Jun 2019 #167
gravy. but eating less meat. some nights meatless. pansypoo53219 Jun 2019 #169
I gave up red meat and pork in 1979 malaise Jun 2019 #171
I'll be sticking with scientific consensus and Thyla Jun 2019 #175
I'll have to find other ways to help then Loki Liesmith Jun 2019 #176
I will stick with meat.... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 #177
nothing can replaced smoked ribs coming out of the smoker for starters beachbum bob Jun 2019 #182
Mmm, yeah customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #214
Kick Demovictory9 Jun 2019 #185
Thank you for posting this topic yellowwoodII Jun 2019 #186
So your assessment is based on anecdotal data from friends in bad health... brooklynite Jun 2019 #189
There are good reasons for going vegan, but it won't save the planet. DanTex Jun 2019 #188
Bite Size Vegan Mendocino Jun 2019 #190
I've tried but I get massive bruises cabot Jun 2019 #199
I went vegan for a year out of cruel animal treatment. zackymilly Jun 2019 #217
Religious crazies lying to get you to follow them. n/t Odoreida Jun 2019 #203
Fatigue, psoriatic arthritis, and actually high cholesterol! Freethinker65 Jun 2019 #204
I can relate. zackymilly Jun 2019 #218
Yep! Freethinker65 Jun 2019 #222
I can think of two reasons. First, I don't eat a lot of meat, but I do enjoy it. hughee99 Jun 2019 #209
I have cut back dramatically on my meat consumption. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #213
My favorite annoying, over the top response to vegans Lheurch Jun 2019 #220
I like all the things a vegan diet forbids NastyRiffraff Jun 2019 #225
Taste. tymorial Jun 2019 #226
I wish I had more vegan/vegetarian options in my area Revanchist Jun 2019 #233
"Larry the Cable guy brand Hamburger Helper knockoff" Codeine Jun 2019 #234
Oh he has a full food line Revanchist Jun 2019 #237
Chicken maceration *graphic* Mendocino Jun 2019 #239
Germany is trying to deal with this issue right now - animal rights vs the rights of the farmers etc Pachamama Jun 2019 #279
As long as there are slaughter houses, Mendocino Jun 2019 #247
whats stopping me???...hmmmm cntrfthrs Jun 2019 #249
Native Americans had a wide and varied diet Retrograde Jun 2019 #289
I will now mock the grocery store bacon eaters... hunter Jun 2019 #250
Just waiting for more fake-meat options NickB79 Jun 2019 #251
Where do you live? Codeine Jun 2019 #258
45 min south of St. Paul, MN. Kinda rural. NickB79 Jun 2019 #261
The crumbles won't really do for a burger. Codeine Jun 2019 #262
Check out the mega ingredients in Beyond meat and see if you still want to eat it womanofthehills Jun 2019 #272
. . . Codeine Jun 2019 #275
but pine trees are wood and regularly used in make believe burgers womanofthehills Jun 2019 #295
The fact that beef, pork and chicken are delicious stops me. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2019 #277
Two reasons jmowreader Jun 2019 #280
1.5 acre of an acre Mendocino Jun 2019 #287
Would you happen to know why pastureland is pastureland? jmowreader Jun 2019 #288
right after I go join the temperance union eShirl Jun 2019 #283
Ghee Recursion Jun 2019 #284
No because Hartmann would then try to make me buy gold in a scam. Botany Jun 2019 #285
This is the best post ever. hunter Jun 2019 #291
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