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Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
12. That is the point, and unfortunately a lot of liberals oblige the Right and move toward their center
Sun Jun 16, 2019, 01:49 PM
Jun 2019

One of the key criticisms of liberalism from the actual "far left" is that liberalism is easy to exploit and move about. People do not seem to understand that the purpose of the Right is not to have a debate or discussion of ideas, but to move the country BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY to the right. They don't care about free speech even as they use the idea of free speech to keep their views being aired on the national scene.

They call people in the center "Far Left" for a few reasons. 1. Because liberals are scared of being seen as "far left" or "socialists" because we have all been indoctrinated to think that socialism is synonymous with Stalin's Soviet Union or Mao's China. There is no real understanding of Socialist Theory. Now personally, I am not sure that Socialism would be sustainable in large populations over long periods of time, but then I think that of any "pure" economic system. Becoming socialists would require a paradigm shift that I am not sure that we are capable of at this time. 2. The right wing knows that capitalism is a system that dehumanizes and inevitably concentrates the wealth and power in very few hands. Their focus is concentrating it in the correct hands, basically White Straight Christian Protestant Men. They do not care HOW they do this and so they prey on the liberal sense of fairness by claiming victim hood. The way Fox News personalities started with "The Liberal Media" which they never really define, but imply that anything outside of Fox is liberal. Now, they have moved beyond that to calling anything not specifically pushing their agenda as "Fake News". The sad thing is that "Fake News" started as a liberal concept pointing out actual news stories that were deliberately misleading or completely fabricated to push a right wing agenda. They take and use concepts like "the Deep State" which begin as liberal or leftist ideas (The Deep State was originally a concept used to define the CIA, FBI, and other law enforcement structures that infiltrated and disrupted leftist and populist movements like the Black Panthers, SNCC, the environmental movement, and others who were pushing against the status quo).

Like I said, the right wingers do it on purpose because they are gambling on the fact that Liberals will react by saying, "I'm not far left" and will thus monitor themselves and reject anything seemingly to the left of center. They do it so that they can call our welfare programs "socialist" and people will start to agree. They do it so that they can say that Social Security, Medicare, and especially Medicaid are "socialist" and "far left" and people will distance themselves from those programs at least politically. They call AOC, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, and other candidates "far left" so that anything they propose like the Green New Deal, which is an ambitious plan but with relatively moderate first steps; is considered a fundamentally leftist, communist take over of society. They did that to the ACA and it kind of worked. They called the ACA a "government takeover" and painted it as radical, when it was based off of a conservative model of healthcare finance. It worked, during 2010 and 2012, a lot of Democratic politicians ran away from ACA.

We have to get away from being appalled at being called "far left" or "socialist". If my desire that all Americans have access to high quality health care and that the financial burden is spread throughout society, with those with the most ability to pay sharing a larger share of the expense labels me a "socialist" then that is a title I will accept. Healthcare is a human right not a commodity to be bought and sold. If the government has to mandate that we move away from burning dirty fuels and invests our tax dollars aggressively in alternative, sustainable fuels; if that labels me "far left" then I am far left because apparently only the "far left" cares enough about the sustainability of people on earth to make those changes.

Right wingers know that they do not have the numbers, but they know they have the wealth. They will use anything they can to maintain their power. We should not oblige them by playing their word games.

"They call me the Far Left"? [View all] shockey80 Jun 2019 OP
... Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #1
Kicking and Recommending Dennis Donovan Jun 2019 #2
Mandatory registration for the draft began in 1978. MasonDreams Jun 2019 #30
I registered in 1974. It was mandatory then. House of Roberts Jun 2019 #37
There was a little gap. Men born from March 29, 1957 MasonDreams Jun 2019 #43
madness Hermit-The-Prog Jun 2019 #3
K&R onecaliberal Jun 2019 #4
Sidenote: My parents have passed on and I miss them, However shockey80 Jun 2019 #5
K&R musette_sf Jun 2019 #6
You are the center, the core of America Martin Eden Jun 2019 #7
So true, So many Americans like myself were conned and took the path of self destruction. shockey80 Jun 2019 #10
I feel your pain, eom LittleGirl Jun 2019 #8
LOVED reading your story and thoughts. I feel honored that you shared this post with us!❤ Karadeniz Jun 2019 #9
I exposed my heart, guts and soul in this post. shockey80 Jun 2019 #17
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2019 #11
That is the point, and unfortunately a lot of liberals oblige the Right and move toward their center Caliman73 Jun 2019 #12
You understand the meaning of my post. shockey80 Jun 2019 #18
An excellent addition to shockey80's post. Thank you both so much. erronis Jun 2019 #20
Kick n/t hibbing Jun 2019 #13
great post study war no more Jun 2019 #14
K&R gtar100 Jun 2019 #15
I'm likely further left lambchopp59 Jun 2019 #16
I'm proud to wear that badge! ananda Jun 2019 #19
The Truth For Sure colsohlibgal Jun 2019 #21
Great post Shockey, you too Caliman. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2019 #22
The Repukes have gone over a cliff FakeNoose Jun 2019 #23
To the Greatest Pate CanonRay Jun 2019 #24
too bad we can't be.. stillcool Jun 2019 #25
Huge kick and rec. love_katz Jun 2019 #26
Great post malaise Jun 2019 #27
if cons paid $1000/hr for radio time to move the center right, 1200 stations are worth $5BIL/year certainot Jun 2019 #28
Closer to 40 years but you're right misanthrope Jun 2019 #31
EVERYONE who does not agree 100% with a repug is FAR LEFT Ferrets are Cool Jun 2019 #29
You said it! I can't count how many checkout line conversations I overheard that reflected this. Ford_Prefect Jun 2019 #32
K&R Paka Jun 2019 #33
Thanks for sharing your story, Shockey80. A lot of parallels to mine. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2019 #34
..except for the names and a few other changes, my story is the same..... joanbarnes Jun 2019 #35
It's atrocious. I actually am the Far Left ck4829 Jun 2019 #36
I love this!! mountain grammy Jun 2019 #38
Please consider sending this wonderful piece JudyM Jun 2019 #39
Great post. But far left and far right have to do with ideologies, not general goodness & fairness. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #40
Yes, but to the OP's point, Trumpists are deliberately erasing those delineations... VOX Jun 2019 #42
Uhm, everyone has ideologies, saying otherwise is being Humanist_Activist Jun 2019 #45
False equivalence between far left and far right. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #48
Again with the "false equivalency" thing. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #52
I guess I was just thinking out loud. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #53
Recommended democrank Jun 2019 #41
K&R suffragette Jun 2019 #44
ding AllaN01Bear Jun 2019 #46
K&R for thread excellence! dchill Jun 2019 #47
This should be read by everyone in America. 😔 BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2019 #49
Great OP. I read this the other day but time was tight so I've come back to it just to say KPN Jun 2019 #50
Thank you...K&R BlueJac Jun 2019 #51
That makes me burrowowl Jun 2019 #54
Great post. I have a similar experience and my Dad provided for 5 with 1 income. Evolve Dammit Jun 2019 #55
Great post ! DashOneBravo Jun 2019 #56
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