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StarfishSaver

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24. The resolution doesn't need to explicitly "establish that the hearings going forward are preliminary
Wed Jun 12, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jun 2019

Last edited Wed Jun 12, 2019, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

to a judicial proceeding." That's not the point of the resolution.

The resolution authorizes the chair to "petition for disclosure of information regarding any matters identified in or relating to the subpoenas referred to in paragraph (1) or any accompanying report, pursuant to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e), including Rule 6(e)(3)(E) (providing that the court may authorize disclosure of a grand-jury matter “preliminarily to... a judicial proceeding”)" - meaning the chair can now go to court to seek grand jury material under the Rule 6(e) exception that permits disclosure of such material "preliminarily to... a judicial proceeding."

Nadler has already stated that the hearings are not just for oversight but also to explore "constitutional remedies." And courts are very deferential to Congress' determination of the purpose for which it is seeking material (see, e.g., Trump v. Committee on Oversight and Reform ), so the hearings fall squarely within the exception to the grand jury secrecy laws. And the fact that it gives the chair the authority to seek materials under the Rule 6(e) language in connection with the Barr and McGahn subpoenas and other related matters "preliminarily to ... judicial proceedings" makes clear that the House views these hearings as falling within this definition.

Neither I nor the OP claimed the resolution "changed the rules on which that process rests." We correctly explained that the resolution authorizes the chair to go to court under the rules that some people keep incorrectly claiming apply only to impeachment inquiries.

This is what Jill Wine-Banks has been saying wryter2000 Jun 2019 #1
This Was Always An Option Me. Jun 2019 #2
Rachel Maddow jumped on this bandwagon for a couple of days, but then jumped off when knowledgeable EffieBlack Jun 2019 #3
... StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #4
Thank you stopdiggin Jun 2019 #5
Don't confuse them with facts Trumpocalypse Jun 2019 #6
This was discussed months ago watoos Jun 2019 #7
They can appeal whether it's an impeachment or not StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #8
Listening to dozens of Constitutional scholars, watoos Jun 2019 #10
This is not a constitutional issue - it's a matter of statutory interpretation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #13
See my link below, watoos Jun 2019 #14
Please read Effie's response StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #16
Sigh ... EffieBlack Jun 2019 #17
All we can do is try. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #20
Of course Barr himself said he would release Nuggets Jun 2019 #27
Barr doesn't have the power to release the material without a court order StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #31
How do you know the "best" way to get this is through an impeachment hearing? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #9
There is a difference between a watoos Jun 2019 #12
Please stop arguing, You don't know the law and don't understand the process EffieBlack Jun 2019 #15
Thank you. brer cat Jun 2019 #11
KR mcar Jun 2019 #18
The House just passed the bill StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #19
They have to actually GET them before this is evidence that impeachment wasn't the only way FBaggins Jun 2019 #21
Impeachment only gives them the right to ask. It doesn't guarantee them anything StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #22
You're assuming that EffieBlack's post is accurate FBaggins Jun 2019 #23
The resolution doesn't need to explicitly "establish that the hearings going forward are preliminary StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #24
My OP IS accurate EffieBlack Jun 2019 #25
I do too. Never mind. You can please some of the people all of the time, but not all of the peeps emmaverybo Jun 2019 #30
Thanks, emmaverybo StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #32
No one's saying it's the only way BeyondGeography Jun 2019 #26
A whole lot of people both in the media and on DU are saying it's the only way. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #29
Thank you for all your work to explain to us how and why impeachment is not the only way emmaverybo Jun 2019 #28
Thanks for this EffieBlack Jun 2019 #33
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