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appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
12. I agree, to a certain point and time.
Thu May 30, 2019, 03:42 PM
May 2019

Drunken Irishman, this is a well-reasoned post, and deserves a healthy k&r which I am glad to give. I agree that even beginning a formal impeachment inquiry immediately would be premature for many of the reasons you outline.

However, I have a different take than what you say here:

That's a tight rope to walk. I believe hearings should continue - as we've seen - but if those subpoenaed to testify continue to refuse to, and the White House stonewalls, and Mueller refuses to say anything beyond what's in his report, the optics aren't going to be there for the Democrats and once you go down the path to impeachment, there's no coming back or you've just handed Trump a monumental victory.



I agree that all the disparate Congressional Committee hearings do indeed need to continue. And I will bet good money that any subpoenaed witness that 45 can reach will be pressured to refuse. Barr will continue to obstruct and hide documents. Each such instance can and should build the case for impeachment, and some time in late June or perhaps July, that case will become overwhelming to even the fence-sitters. Such a time frame will also give Democratic Presidential candidates the chance to articulate the need for impeachment on the debate stage. Given the crimes and evidence we already know, if investigations, documents, and witnesses have not all moved forward in significant ways by late July, Pelosi (or any Speaker worth her salt) ought to be able to convene an impeachment inquiry vote with fewer than ten Democrats dissenting and hopefully three or more Republicans in favor.

I think the alternative of allowing both the past crimes and the ongoing obstruction remaining unaddressed by impeachment through the end of summer or beyond is an absolute dead end for Democrats, and hope that Pelosi can see that.

-app
Bingo. And in the meantime work to getting the vote out in Nov 2020. The White House is ... marble falls May 2019 #1
Precisely! read news of 5/30/19 about impeachment: real Cannabis calm May 2019 #13
For the last time, Impeachment is not POLITICAL. It is a LEGAL PROCESS berni_mccoy May 2019 #2
It is inherently political... Drunken Irishman May 2019 #4
It has political consequences yes berni_mccoy May 2019 #5
Clintons impeachment was 100% political. Drunken Irishman May 2019 #19
It was a politically motivated abuse of a legal process. berni_mccoy May 2019 #20
It's a political method. Drunken Irishman May 2019 #24
Your facts are off StarfishSaver May 2019 #23
Impeachment is not a legal process StarfishSaver May 2019 #9
It is political. It won't remove trump. It is bringing charges that the Senate will not convict on. wasupaloopa May 2019 #29
Well put. empedocles May 2019 #3
No evidence to support your assertion Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #6
They take a stand... And then what? StarfishSaver May 2019 #10
And then all eyes and ears are focused on what they stand for Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #11
OK. And then what? StarfishSaver May 2019 #16
We need to take the Senate. For example: Beto O'Rourke should be taking on Cornyn or ... marble falls May 2019 #17
And then the American people will see that the Democratic Congress has the courage and character to Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #25
"I'm not really worried about what *might* happen after that" ... We have that luxury StarfishSaver May 2019 #33
What are the consequences of Congress's actions so far? Nt Fiendish Thingy May 2019 #35
Keep that powder dry! GeorgeGist May 2019 #7
It is super duper dry Bettie May 2019 #18
Excellent analysis StarfishSaver May 2019 #8
I agree, to a certain point and time. appal_jack May 2019 #12
I wonder when Dirty Socialist May 2019 #14
you're not the only G_j May 2019 #30
Yep. And it's an attempt to divide Democrats cally May 2019 #15
No! I have the right to impulsively demand instant gratification... brooklynite May 2019 #21
Then let the impeachmnet process formally begin. PufPuf23 May 2019 #22
DI - feel free to drop the mic after that one. Well said. NoMoreRepugs May 2019 #26
It is rare on this board that impeachment is looked at reasonably. I believe the Dems will get wasupaloopa May 2019 #27
I think it's more fun watching him squirm. Initech May 2019 #28
TOTALLY on point! nt Raine May 2019 #31
It's my impression that people are shorthanding the word "impeach." Most mean begin inquiry. hedda_foil May 2019 #32
True - one of the reasons I wrote this OP: StarfishSaver May 2019 #34
knr. we need pragmatic patriotism...not getting goaded into Moscow Mitch running game. nt Baltimike May 2019 #36
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