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Fiendish Thingy

(15,548 posts)
20. She's right about the false choice
Wed Apr 24, 2019, 08:46 PM
Apr 2019

Very few are suggesting "immediate impeachment" as in pass articles and send to the floor for a vote right now.

Most who are pro impeachment are favoring opening an impeachment INQUIRY right now, as this would cut through Trump's obstructionist bullshit, and allow Congress access to all information, to empower them to conduct and thorough, relentless investigation of all Trump's crimes.

Lawrence suggested last night that Pelosi is playing "rope a dope" with Trump; I can support this for a short period, say until the end of May, when Barr and Meuller are scheduled to testify, and the testimony of Cline and others can be scheduled. Multiple dealings for turning over Trump's taxes will have passed by then as well.

Giving Trump, Barr, et al until the end of May to comply is more than fair. If they haven't by then, Pelosi should allow Nadler and any other committee chairs (they may need to make a select committee of Judiciary, Intelligence, Oversight and others) to open an Impeachment Inquiry. The inquiry should not be rushed, but should be relentless and merciless. If they do their job properly, Amazon shipments of Depends to the DC area should spike quickly.

While the inquiry should not be rushed, neither should it stand by while Trump consolidates his dictatorial powers. Appeals to SCOTUS should be used sparingly and strategically; instead, citations contempt should be issued, as well articles of impeachment for Contempt of Congress should be drawn up for Trump, Barr, Mnuchin and any others who dare obstruct.

Even with Trump's obstructions, there is enough evidence in the public record from Meuller's report and court transcripts to bring articles of impeachment to a floor vote by Fall/early Winter 2019. Again, if Congress, and the media, are doing their jobs, support for impeachment should rise, and Trump's approval should drop. A senate trial, on the eve of the primaries, should create enough pressure on the 20 GOP senators running for reelection that if they don't vote to convict, they may be forced into retirement, to the Dems advantage. Some may choose to vote to convict AND retire.

Any other course of action that does not include the opening of an impeachment inquiry is, IMO, the equivalent of doing nothing to defend the Constitution. While we can think strategically about the election, the Constitution can't wait until 2020 - the time for battle is now.

We owe Hillary orangecrush Apr 2019 #1
Quite a coup for the WaPo to score an op-ed from Hillary True Dough Apr 2019 #2
Thank you. I think her opinion piece is excellent and, I agree with your japple Apr 2019 #3
We would be wise to follow her advise because she's our President. llmart Apr 2019 #7
The most important response to date malaise Apr 2019 #22
I doubt if the NY Times would have published it. Mo Dowd will probably comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #29
If anyone had ever told me that Donald gldstwmn Apr 2019 #4
If ever Generic Other Apr 2019 #5
I still love that woman ismnotwasm Apr 2019 #6
Kick to the top. Andy823 Apr 2019 #8
kick DoBotherMe Apr 2019 #9
A true statesman marieo1 Apr 2019 #10
You said it! BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #19
"Now it's up to us to prove the wisdom of our Constitution" YUP Takket Apr 2019 #11
Goddamn can that woman throw shade when she wants to hahahaha... Volaris Apr 2019 #12
Well said H. Problem is the discussion is not happening in Congress. Specifically, where are Evolve Dammit Apr 2019 #13
And that's why she actually won by 3mil+ votes. 2naSalit Apr 2019 #14
I Hope Rachel can get her to come on her show. triron Apr 2019 #25
Yup, saw that. 2naSalit Apr 2019 #28
2 problems. trump is already instructing ppl to not cooperate. dem leaders have resisted Kurt V. Apr 2019 #15
Kick dalton99a Apr 2019 #16
K&R KewlKat Apr 2019 #17
The False Choice is the Bait Roy Rolling Apr 2019 #18
She's right about the false choice Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #20
Yep. triron Apr 2019 #26
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2019 #21
"Nobody but Americans should be able to decide America's future" struggle4progress Apr 2019 #23
K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Apr 2019 #24
Eloquence Botany Apr 2019 #27
Putin's successful attack on America may be... NNadir Apr 2019 #30
You omitted the paragraphs from her piece about how to respond! SunSeeker Apr 2019 #31
The Republicans are trying to force a quick impeachment vote patphil Apr 2019 #32
No, how this starts is with formal impeachment investigation hearings. SunSeeker Apr 2019 #35
k&r DesertRat Apr 2019 #33
Still love you Hillary. You won. By a very large margin of the popular vote. calimary Apr 2019 #34
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