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jmowreader

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25. As you know, there's a big difference
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 12:36 PM
Apr 2019

The “Contract on America” Congress had several members who campaigned on their plans to impeach Clinton over Whitewater or the Arkansas state trooper scandal. We spent $70 million investigating all the atrocities Clinton supposedly committed and they came up dry. Impeaching him because they claimed he lied about a blowjob (in reality he did not; in DC “sex” is only intercourse; by law blowjobs don’t count. And he didn’t have intercourse with her. Bill Clinton is a talented attorney who got an A in Hair Splitting.) America didn’t see a perceived lie about a BJ to be worthy of impeachment.

Trump is different. There are real and significant crimes here. A halfway decent investigator with Trump Hospitality’s business records and Trump’s dealings with foreign governments would be able to build an extremely solid influence peddling case. Plus the Russia matter. Plus obstruction. If we can build a solid case against him and the Senate acquits, there are 25 Senate Republicans and enough House Republicans to give us a veto-proof majority who will probably lose their seats.

Here’s how it will go: “We stood behind the president when we believed he was innocent of crimes. We can no longer do that.”

It's really not truly conventional wisdom Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #1
"evidence-free opinion " TwilightZone Apr 2019 #26
We can identify the risks to the Constitution Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #32
Yeah, I mean what the fuck does someone like Nancy Pelosi know about politics, right? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #27
Ah, see you're focused on politics... Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #33
Yeah, what does Nancy Pelosi know about protecting the Constitution... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #34
The Constitution can't wait until 2020 Fiendish Thingy Apr 2019 #35
Another VICIOUS PERSONAL ATTACK Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #44
Don't think Eliot said that mcar Apr 2019 #45
Attack that Strawman much? ehrnst Apr 2019 #47
Have you noticed that not every Democrat agrees with Pelosi? BlueWI Apr 2019 #41
Dems don't need all agree on everything. However, Nancy has been selected by our reps ehrnst Apr 2019 #48
Being an active citizen with independent insight is not armchair quarterbacking. BlueWI Apr 2019 #50
And flying the plane looks very different from coach than it does from the cockpit. ehrnst Apr 2019 #53
Meh. BlueWI Apr 2019 #57
Because it will fail in the senate - OhZone Apr 2019 #2
The way OJ's acquital made him look innocent. stopbush Apr 2019 #3
Or would it make the Republicans look as guilty as Trump? kentuck Apr 2019 #4
That's the thing PRETZEL Apr 2019 #10
+1 Chin music Apr 2019 #11
An impeachment is an indictment. If the Senate doesn't toss him out, it's like an aquittal. OhZone Apr 2019 #9
Maybe they can get Barr to declare him exonerated again? kentuck Apr 2019 #12
Then at the least let America see that it's republicans wanting to keep the criminal in place uponit7771 Apr 2019 #13
and not doing a thing about it either bdamomma Apr 2019 #46
We know how Trump TWISTS things to his advantage....He is SCARED.... ProudMNDemocrat Apr 2019 #5
I think it comes down to just not having 220 votes Ponietz Apr 2019 #6
This is another possibility uponit7771 Apr 2019 #14
yup. n/t anarch Apr 2019 #18
Important point. BlueWI Apr 2019 #43
He will play the victim, say the democrats targeted him and solidify his support redstatebluegirl Apr 2019 #7
He'll do that anyway, he's a liar. We're damned if we do damned if we don't might as well do the.... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #15
There is s reason Republicans don't want Trump impeached world wide wally Apr 2019 #8
Exposure to sunlight? Chin music Apr 2019 #16
Then, there is unconventional wisdom, which appears to be what we need. MineralMan Apr 2019 #17
Impeachment hurt dems after Johnson and Clinton and hurt reps after Nixon there's no uponit7771 Apr 2019 #19
It never turns out well. redstatebluegirl Apr 2019 #36
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #42
It won't. It will put Republicans on the DEFENSIVE, having to defend Trump's actions. manor321 Apr 2019 #20
Proponents of this argument point to Clinton's impeachment unblock Apr 2019 #21
As you know, there's a big difference jmowreader Apr 2019 #25
I do believe Republicans are very effective with messaging... kentuck Apr 2019 #22
Dems would be better at messaging, too, if they had the media monopoly the rethugs have. diva77 Apr 2019 #40
Suppose there are Democrats who don't support it? loyalsister Apr 2019 #23
Conventional in whose minds?! Not mine. Conventional wisdom here, based on Nixon, is that KPN Apr 2019 #24
In the minds of people who remember 1998 (nt) Recursion Apr 2019 #29
His turnout is going to be depressed because the ACA still exists and there is no wall Recursion Apr 2019 #28
That is a possibility.. kentuck Apr 2019 #30
Two separate questions Recursion Apr 2019 #31
I submit that the public was sick of inflating the issue of infidelity librechik Apr 2019 #37
This. Well said. n/t ms liberty Apr 2019 #58
Focus should never be on turnout Awsi Dooger Apr 2019 #38
And that's asinine!!! ElementaryPenguin Apr 2019 #39
Speaking for myself... llmart Apr 2019 #49
That's pretty much how I do it, but marylandblue Apr 2019 #55
It's pure bullshitbeing pushed by Trump and GOP - a Dem would be pretty damn naive blm Apr 2019 #51
If they don't impeach mainstreetonce Apr 2019 #52
I would not assume that he can't pick up votes FBaggins Apr 2019 #54
I think the argument would be... Thomas Hurt Apr 2019 #56
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