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StarfishSaver

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31. Holding hearings outside of the impeachment process IS "dotting the Is and crossing the Ts"
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:50 AM
Apr 2019

No one is saying "wait until" anything. Conducting investigations outside of the impeachment process will gather the information needed to conduct a strong impeachment inquiry.

We may think the Mueller report is enough, but it's not. And the Judiciary Committee doesn't have the bandwidth to conduct the inquiry needed to build the case needed to remove this man from office.

House Oversight, Intelligence, Financial Services, etc. are all conducting full-blown investigations that will uncover evidence necessary to build the right kind of case. THAT's how to build public support.

During Watergate, the Judiciary Committee didn't start proceedings until after the Select Committee did its work and the American public saw the evidence build. Those dramatic hearings we all remember weren't part of the the impeachment proceedings. They occurred the year before. John Dean, Butterfield, etc. didn't testify to the Judiciary Committee. They went before the Select Committee. All of that information was then brought to the Judiciary Committee for an impeachment inquiry.

I just don't understand why people think that the only way to proceed on impeachment is to launch impeachment proceedings this minute. Don't you see that's exactly what the GOP wants us to do? They know the American public isn't totally on board and that we only have one shot. They're trying to box us in, tie our hands and stop the other committees from investigating and developing a solid case. If they can goad us into starting the proceedings now, based just on the Mueller report, we may be able to impeach, but it will die in the Senate, he'll remain in office and the country will never know the depths of his illegality and depravity.

The House Dems are doing this right. They're not "waiting until" anything. They're going full steam ahead, investigating the hell out of him and, very soon, will have more than enough to not just impeach him, but stand a decent chance of removing him. And if he's not removed, the vast extent of his wrongdoing will be carved into history and it will be clear that the Republicans ignored the will of the people, turned a blind eye to the evidence, and allowed a craven criminal to remain in office.

Bullshit. Impeachment is the only option and it is the right thing to do. manor321 Apr 2019 #1
What good does impeachment do? It helps Trump get four more years. redstateblues Apr 2019 #7
You don't know that is the outcome for 2020... lame54 Apr 2019 #22
What was the price the GOP paid for Impeaching Clinton in 2000? maxsolomon Apr 2019 #39
Umm... massive losses in the House and Senate (nt) Recursion Apr 2019 #41
The outcome is not treestar Apr 2019 #43
Their reason was obstruction of justice in a special counsel probe Recursion Apr 2019 #45
but usually you hear about "the blow job" treestar Apr 2019 #46
GWB became president in 2000. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #44
May not be all bad. 'Ratings' are not too far away from 'polls'. empedocles Apr 2019 #2
Counterintelligence experts beg to differ... orangecrush Apr 2019 #3
And if Talking Heads weren't calling for impeachment, we'd condemn them for not doing their jobs. Hoyt Apr 2019 #4
Scary stuff. defacto7 Apr 2019 #5
Any impeachment would require a year or more of hearings pecosbob Apr 2019 #6
No it wouldn't uponit7771 Apr 2019 #9
You think it could be done faster than Nixon or Clinton? pecosbob Apr 2019 #10
Impeachment started in May 74 and Nixon resigned in August 74, so no ... it doesn't take that long uponit7771 Apr 2019 #11
The hearings went on for over a year before the House issued article of impeachment. pecosbob Apr 2019 #12
Hmmmm, makes me think there needs to be a process clarification cause you're right ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #13
I think investigations can begin and impeachment can be left on the shelf for now pecosbob Apr 2019 #14
NO, ... there is already a smoking gun in McGhan ... there's no more that's needed. We don't uponit7771 Apr 2019 #15
Hearings can be held by many different committees. Impeachment hearings are conducted StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #18
Yeah, there needs to be some process outlined and benefits etc. My understanding is Red Don's uponit7771 Apr 2019 #19
I don't think that's true StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #24
Hmmmm, so if there's no real difference other than GJ info then why not impeach? Is it because uponit7771 Apr 2019 #27
An impeachment proceeding is not the same as an investigatory process StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #28
I disagree on the American people being "there yet" it was 43% on Nixon and 40% on Red Don but ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #29
Holding hearings outside of the impeachment process IS "dotting the Is and crossing the Ts" StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #31
Got it, hold the hearings then ITMF ... no more waiting for this or that. Also, my understanding is uponit7771 Apr 2019 #32
The Judiciary Committee will have hearings before the vote StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #33
I agree on the hearings then ITMF ... no more of the "waiting" let the hearings conclude and then uponit7771 Apr 2019 #34
I don't think it's code StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #35
+1 DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #37
False. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #25
Horse pucky... WheelWalker Apr 2019 #8
It's a two way street. procon Apr 2019 #16
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #17
Yeah I'm not sure I really give a fuck what McConnell does with his oath of office ... Volaris Apr 2019 #20
Well, I know *I'd* be watching. And also wanting SHITLER impeached/convicted. UTUSN Apr 2019 #21
McConnell does not get a say. Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #23
Actually the message I get is the typical democratic party bashing SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #26
You're right StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #30
Absolutely, it's ratings DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #36
Impeachment will not help Trump ProfessorPlum Apr 2019 #38
The media can't survive without ratings. Politics depends upon popular support. These things are Nitram Apr 2019 #40
Precisely this NYMinute Apr 2019 #42
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