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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
28. An impeachment proceeding is not the same as an investigatory process
Tue Apr 23, 2019, 08:25 AM
Apr 2019

A very rough analogy would be:

Mueller investigation + hearings by various committees looking into the wrongdoing described by the Mueller report along with other illegal and inappropriate activity not covered by Mueller (e.g., emouluments, tax evasion and fraud, money laundering) = a police investigation

Impeachment hearings and vote = presentation of evidence to and criminal indictment by a grand jury

Senate trial = court trial by jury

Although the Mueller report on its own contains enough information to convince some people that impeachment and removal are warranted, the House owes it to the country to put together a rock solid case AND to uncover and document as much as possible. That can't be done on the impeachment process and can't be done solely by the Judiciary Committee. That information must be gathered and then presented to the Judiciary Committee, which then takes it through the impeachment process.

Also, the American public is not there yet, at lease not in the numbers needed. Hearings outside of the impeachment process - hearings designed to gather information, not simply to push toward impeachment, which many people would just see as a partisan, outcome-determinative activity - are necessary for the public to be moved toward supporting impeachment.

Everything the impeachment supporters want can be accomplished without starting impeachment proceedings immediately: hearings, testimony, new information, exposure of Trump's crimes, etc. But initially, it must be done outside of the impeachment process if impeachment is to actually work.

Bullshit. Impeachment is the only option and it is the right thing to do. manor321 Apr 2019 #1
What good does impeachment do? It helps Trump get four more years. redstateblues Apr 2019 #7
You don't know that is the outcome for 2020... lame54 Apr 2019 #22
What was the price the GOP paid for Impeaching Clinton in 2000? maxsolomon Apr 2019 #39
Umm... massive losses in the House and Senate (nt) Recursion Apr 2019 #41
The outcome is not treestar Apr 2019 #43
Their reason was obstruction of justice in a special counsel probe Recursion Apr 2019 #45
but usually you hear about "the blow job" treestar Apr 2019 #46
GWB became president in 2000. maxsolomon Apr 2019 #44
May not be all bad. 'Ratings' are not too far away from 'polls'. empedocles Apr 2019 #2
Counterintelligence experts beg to differ... orangecrush Apr 2019 #3
And if Talking Heads weren't calling for impeachment, we'd condemn them for not doing their jobs. Hoyt Apr 2019 #4
Scary stuff. defacto7 Apr 2019 #5
Any impeachment would require a year or more of hearings pecosbob Apr 2019 #6
No it wouldn't uponit7771 Apr 2019 #9
You think it could be done faster than Nixon or Clinton? pecosbob Apr 2019 #10
Impeachment started in May 74 and Nixon resigned in August 74, so no ... it doesn't take that long uponit7771 Apr 2019 #11
The hearings went on for over a year before the House issued article of impeachment. pecosbob Apr 2019 #12
Hmmmm, makes me think there needs to be a process clarification cause you're right ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #13
I think investigations can begin and impeachment can be left on the shelf for now pecosbob Apr 2019 #14
NO, ... there is already a smoking gun in McGhan ... there's no more that's needed. We don't uponit7771 Apr 2019 #15
Hearings can be held by many different committees. Impeachment hearings are conducted StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #18
Yeah, there needs to be some process outlined and benefits etc. My understanding is Red Don's uponit7771 Apr 2019 #19
I don't think that's true StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #24
Hmmmm, so if there's no real difference other than GJ info then why not impeach? Is it because uponit7771 Apr 2019 #27
An impeachment proceeding is not the same as an investigatory process StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #28
I disagree on the American people being "there yet" it was 43% on Nixon and 40% on Red Don but ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #29
Holding hearings outside of the impeachment process IS "dotting the Is and crossing the Ts" StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #31
Got it, hold the hearings then ITMF ... no more waiting for this or that. Also, my understanding is uponit7771 Apr 2019 #32
The Judiciary Committee will have hearings before the vote StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #33
I agree on the hearings then ITMF ... no more of the "waiting" let the hearings conclude and then uponit7771 Apr 2019 #34
I don't think it's code StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #35
+1 DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #37
False. TwilightZone Apr 2019 #25
Horse pucky... WheelWalker Apr 2019 #8
It's a two way street. procon Apr 2019 #16
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #17
Yeah I'm not sure I really give a fuck what McConnell does with his oath of office ... Volaris Apr 2019 #20
Well, I know *I'd* be watching. And also wanting SHITLER impeached/convicted. UTUSN Apr 2019 #21
McConnell does not get a say. Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #23
Actually the message I get is the typical democratic party bashing SlogginThroughIt Apr 2019 #26
You're right StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #30
Absolutely, it's ratings DeminPennswoods Apr 2019 #36
Impeachment will not help Trump ProfessorPlum Apr 2019 #38
The media can't survive without ratings. Politics depends upon popular support. These things are Nitram Apr 2019 #40
Precisely this NYMinute Apr 2019 #42
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