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dlk

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51. Unfortunately, Yes

Wed Mar 13, 2019, 08:14 AM

Mar 2019

Allowing them to stay would be the same as letting them to keep stolen property. If these students were poor, would we even be asking this question?

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Should the students who benefited from deceit be expelled? [View all] aikoaiko Mar 2019 OP

Yes freepotter Mar 2019 #1

USC (Lori Lauglin) University Policy. TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #57

If they knew? Yes. Otherwise no. Just MHO. Adrahil Mar 2019 #85

There's no way those kids didn't know mommy & daddy were sprinkling their college with wads of cash! TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #90

Totally agree. Chin music Mar 2019 #103

"Mom, Dad... I had no idea I was accepted on USC's crew. What the fuck is a crew?" TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #113

"Look it you little shit bird...Mom and Dad paid BIG BUCKS for you to get into Chin music Mar 2019 #115

Doesn't have something to do with wreaking. democratisphere Mar 2019 #187

Policy enid602 Mar 2019 #137

Wanda Austin is the interim USC president Zorro Mar 2019 #178

Yes caraher Mar 2019 #2

That screws Biden's run for POTUS right? AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #154

Does it? caraher Mar 2019 #169

He's got palgerism issues that have ruined 2 POTUS runs. AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #170

Then it was already a problem independent of this case caraher Mar 2019 #177

Depends, those who knew yes... those who didn't no 4139 Mar 2019 #3

C'mon, kids know if they were exceptional students or slackers. procon Mar 2019 #27

The few that didn't know, didn't do anything wrong. lostnfound Mar 2019 #29

How could they not know? Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #31

Because they're fucking stupid. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #60

lol. Joe941 Mar 2019 #82

Every student knows their grade points and SAT test scores. procon Mar 2019 #35

Rich kids go to private schools unitedwethrive Mar 2019 #41

That is not necessarily true about private schools Dream Girl Mar 2019 #159

Not if the proctor changed some of the answers FBaggins Mar 2019 #84

It wasn't a few -- the FBI stated almost none were aware obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #53

Doesn't matter... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #157

They had to have known mercuryblues Mar 2019 #181

Most of them would have known... meadowlander Mar 2019 #43

By and large, they did not get scholarship - Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #175

If they knew and acquiesced, yes. Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #4

Not if they didn't know about it beforehand... ADX Mar 2019 #5

A GPA of 3, And They Didn't Know? ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #14

Not necessarily... ADX Mar 2019 #18

They Should, Shouldn't They? ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #48

The reporting indicates that some of the kids did not know. FBaggins Mar 2019 #78

there is also the possibility that some of the kids were actually smart... Javaman Mar 2019 #87

According to the prosecutors, some kids did not know MaryMagdaline Mar 2019 #107

When my kids were accepted to their colleges FM123 Mar 2019 #6

i voted yes, assuming they knew about it Takket Mar 2019 #7

Their degree, if any should be revoked..they should have to test and apply - n/t asiliveandbreathe Mar 2019 #8

If they didn't know, let them finish the year and not be allowed back. AJT Mar 2019 #9

Well if their getting in was by deceit, it would seem they need to reapply Beringia Mar 2019 #10

Yes. In all cases they are taking the place of another student The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #11

Absolutely YES Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #92

Not sure how they compare? Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #100

I believe that your answer is provided in post 98 Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #109

It dreamer kids parents were as rich as these kids parents are, GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #98

Your trolling is tedious DBoon Mar 2019 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #143

Msybe he's learning his lesson because he's deleting all his posts. defacto7 Mar 2019 #190

Definitely Yes ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #93

Not Comparable ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #185

the daughters of Lori L had to know... they were admitted as fake members of a sports team Demovictory9 Mar 2019 #15

One of Lori L's daughters sounds like she didn't even want to be there in the first place crazycatlady Mar 2019 #68

This is amazing jberryhill Mar 2019 #71

Just what we need...another round of clueless Khardashian types. Chin music Mar 2019 #116

I ask because at first I was a Yes for expulsion if they knew, but now I'm just a yes. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #16

kick them out and make them re-apply DBoon Mar 2019 #17

Ditto! BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #132

of course not, just to one who commit admissions fraud DBoon Mar 2019 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #145

I'd be surprised if it isn't automatic. And no refunds. nt Hekate Mar 2019 #19

Did our "athletes" claim it on their applications? Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #20

Of course. Codeine Mar 2019 #21

If they knew, yes happybird Mar 2019 #22

If they had no part in the fraud, they should be allowed to finish the semester LuvLoogie Mar 2019 #23

only if they willingly participated in these schemes. nt msongs Mar 2019 #24

If the students should never have been accepted... Lancero Mar 2019 #26

And the tuition refund would probably go to customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #33

there is no reason to refund tuition if the kids were going there JI7 Mar 2019 #34

If the student did the work to earn their degree, how do you hughee99 Mar 2019 #37

When the students filled out applications... Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #39

Why is it almost impossible they didn't know? hughee99 Mar 2019 #40

The students themselved would have to report false info Bad Thoughts Mar 2019 #46

Not all of the applicants required cheating on tests hughee99 Mar 2019 #56

If they cheated to get into the school, meadowlander Mar 2019 #45

I did hear on NPR that happened. cannabis_flower Mar 2019 #58

I don't think the kids get to stay. MissB Mar 2019 #67

Not all of these students required fake scores, and not all of them hughee99 Mar 2019 #61

So much data is transmitted electronically nowadays MissB Mar 2019 #66

How can one be sure mercuryblues Mar 2019 #69

So are you assuming academic fraud and assuming they should have known? hughee99 Mar 2019 #70

As I said mercuryblues Mar 2019 #72

In some cases, all the parent bought was a coach from hughee99 Mar 2019 #77

So on the application the sport was listed mercuryblues Mar 2019 #79

No. The kid played the sport for school and listed it. hughee99 Mar 2019 #81

That's why they were photoshopping mercuryblues Mar 2019 #88

I see the cnn story did not have this part hughee99 Mar 2019 #89

I wonder if this is the case the FBI was working mercuryblues Mar 2019 #104

I went to public school in a rural area. Less than 400 kids in high school. hughee99 Mar 2019 #122

If your parents rob a bank and put the money in a trust fund for you meadowlander Mar 2019 #94

So are you not a fan of DACA and want to deport the children hughee99 Mar 2019 #96

Kids in DACA aren't given citizenship. meadowlander Mar 2019 #99

The kids in DACA have an advantage toward citizenship over the children hughee99 Mar 2019 #101

I don't think it's okay for them to benefit, meadowlander Mar 2019 #186

You keep saying stolen goods like they stole an education. hughee99 Mar 2019 #188

See post 43 meadowlander Mar 2019 #191

While I agree that for students that did the work, a fair hughee99 Mar 2019 #192

My job is largely working with young adults preparing for high stakes testing Ms. Toad Mar 2019 #179

Expelled defacto7 Mar 2019 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #108

BY definition, Dreamers are transparent about their status and working on legitimate means of access aikoaiko Mar 2019 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #119

I thought we were talking about college admissions. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #123

My point is that Dreamers did not deceive college admissions processes. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #130

Did these kids? AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #138

Their parents paid six to seven figure bribes to get into the country? kcr Mar 2019 #182

No, not at all. Those are two completely different subjects. defacto7 Mar 2019 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #126

You need to explain how you can ask the question. defacto7 Mar 2019 #131

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #136

Sorry. There's no double standard. defacto7 Mar 2019 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #146

Ok... one more time... defacto7 Mar 2019 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #148

I'd think the kids would want to withdraw and go elsewhere or take time off Hoyt Mar 2019 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #149

Old Geezer, go oil your gunz. Tell your buddies on the Discussionist, "Hoyt said Hi." Hoyt Mar 2019 #156

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #158

Must be in a bad mood today, OldGeezer. Got any comments on politics? Hoyt Mar 2019 #161

I can say I'm not "OldGeezer".....that's something else you got wrong AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #163

No Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Mar 2019 #44

Agreed -- there is a lot of meanness in this thread obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #54

I have sympathy for the innocent students, but allowing them to stay delegitimizes admissions aikoaiko Mar 2019 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #172

Its a different situation. I know you love this analogy. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #176

I agree. Fortunately, the colleges are deciding quietly, case-by-case, it seems. Chemisse Mar 2019 #164

That's good news Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #165

I get the compassion for the kids, but its compassion for fraud, too. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #193

Yes, they are benefitting from fraud. fleur-de-lisa Mar 2019 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #125

Yes, but BlueSpot Mar 2019 #38

Yes. I have zero hesitation in that belief too. I don't care if they didn't know and I SweetieD Mar 2019 #42

Yes, regardless of whether the kids knew or not. Captain Stern Mar 2019 #47

Yes, no exceptions. zazfan Mar 2019 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #171

If the kid knew about it definitely yes. If the kid didn't know about it and is serious and doing Vinca Mar 2019 #50

Unfortunately, Yes dlk Mar 2019 #51

They didn't fraud anyone, their parents and other adults did obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #55

Almost none of the kids knew -- the sins of the fathers and mothers isn't a thing obamanut2012 Mar 2019 #52

It's not about punishing the students. It's about not tolerating fraud. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #141

Absolutely Not RobinA Mar 2019 #59

The issue isn't a lack of merit. The issue is fraud. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #120

Correct response Loki Liesmith Mar 2019 #65

Exactly rusty fender Mar 2019 #75

They should be stripped naked, tattooed... jberryhill Mar 2019 #64

Sounds like a fine party you have planned. But after the festivities, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #73

How many otherwise-undeserving students are at a university ... JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #74

The issue isn't whether non-merit considerations were used, but was fraud involved. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #106

If I lied on a job application and was hired based on the lie DBoon Mar 2019 #76

If it is proven that they were unaware, no. If so, yes. Blue_true Mar 2019 #80

Yes, but they should not be made to pay any tuition back. n/t Coventina Mar 2019 #83

LOL Blue_Tires Mar 2019 #86

NO....Not if they weren't party to the deciet..Fraud. If they were...yes. AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #91

Are any of them accomplices? RandySF Mar 2019 #102

They got a benefit they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. Demit Mar 2019 #111

But any of them went into college at 18 knowing what happened RandySF Mar 2019 #112

Sure, but that's a matter for a DA, if there's enuf evidence to bring charges. Demit Mar 2019 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #173

District Attorneys decide whom to prosecute, not you and I, so that's an odd question. Demit Mar 2019 #180

Expelling them is the only way to end the cheating. Paladin Mar 2019 #105

The USC students should be forced to transfer to UCLA Awsi Dooger Mar 2019 #110

Absolutely, expulsion is a natural consequence for fraud n/t Devil Child Mar 2019 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #128

No, their parents should be! elleng Mar 2019 #127

BIG... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #129

Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #151

huh? Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Mar 2019 #168

I'd rather make their parents pay the full ride for other displaced students Raven123 Mar 2019 #133

If only it were a just world. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #135

The parents are filthy rich MichMan Mar 2019 #160

Yes. Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #140

No, but their grades should be audited. If they wer ein on any sort of scholarship the parents Afromania Mar 2019 #142

If they knew Meowmee Mar 2019 #150

No but, they will carry that scar with them throughout their career liberal N proud Mar 2019 #152

absolutely and any that who have a diploma/degree needs it rescinded ASAP and a beachbum bob Mar 2019 #153

They signed the paperwork didn't they? SHRED Mar 2019 #155

Presumably. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #162

If they didn't know, they're too dumb to be there mainer Mar 2019 #167

Some should. Some shouldn't fescuerescue Mar 2019 #183

I wondering about students who have already graduated fescuerescue Mar 2019 #184

Yes the taxpayers samplegirl Mar 2019 #189