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appal_jack

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4. CAN WE PLEASE STOP BLAMING WORKERS?!??

Reply to scheming daemons (Original post)

Thu Mar 7, 2019, 12:49 PM

Mar 2019

Last edited Thu Mar 7, 2019, 01:30 PM - Edit history (1)

At this moment of economic and political decline of the USA, the fact that the Republican Party and candidate successfully leveraged enormous resources of propaganda and power is not the fault of even one of those plant workers.

If we want progress and justice to win, Democrats need to better leverage our own propaganda and power toward the ends of a more just and equitable society. We need to present all workers with both society-wide goods (healthcare, education, criminal justice reforms, etc.) and also a narrower "what's in it for them?" component as well (wages, union rights, a genuine respect for the Second Amendment and other individual liberties, etc.)

Blaming voters is a one-way ticket toward failure.

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Lordstown Ohio is feeling the MAGA today [View all] scheming daemons Mar 2019 OP

No kidding, I wonder how many ignorant fucks gopiscrap Mar 2019 #1

Lordstown and Youngstown is trump country. yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2019 #2

Youngstown where most Lordstown workers lived is in Mahoning Country which went for Clinton. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #69

Ugh. rownesheck Mar 2019 #3

CAN WE PLEASE STOP BLAMING WORKERS?!?? appal_jack Mar 2019 #4

As is appeasing idiocy and excusing poor choices. LanternWaste Mar 2019 #6

Bingo! The tRump voters among them are fucking stupid idiots who have ruined the lives DontBooVote Mar 2019 #10

+1 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #33

Amen, LanternWaste blueinredohio Mar 2019 #20

The blame should be placed on consumers MichMan Mar 2019 #9

Trump's tax scam made it easier watoos Mar 2019 #34

How so? fescuerescue Mar 2019 #55

Easy atreides1 Mar 2019 #81

I disagree! Blaming those who voted for Trump is the ONLY way..... machoneman Mar 2019 #47

Nice Divide and conquer...only 2 % separated the votes for Trump and Clinton in Trumbull County Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #66

They vote don't they? fescuerescue Mar 2019 #53

Who do you blame keith sw Mar 2019 #57

They were given that choice, but racism and xenophobia won lunamagica Mar 2019 #58

I was subjected to the same propaganda, but LuvLoogie Mar 2019 #60

Here's a photo of a trump rally in ohio! yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2019 #5

If I had enough money, I would buy it. nt allgood33 Mar 2019 #7

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL workinclasszero Mar 2019 #22

Yep. A tariff is a tax under a different spelling. keithbvadu2 Mar 2019 #42

Making steel more expensive was a big part in ... Botany Mar 2019 #84

Back in the day the workers were pretty darn left. marble falls Mar 2019 #8

I remember those days well. Now all thinking seems to have left and many side with the wrong guys, RKP5637 Mar 2019 #12

This is another way to bust unions...and not true. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #15

How does what I said bust unions? n/t RKP5637 Mar 2019 #24

You really don't know your history ... marble falls Mar 2019 #32

Lordstown workers and other plants were mostly working guys and I doubt I ever met a communist or Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #51

Because smart guys back from Viet Nam and with four-year degrees that payed less than turning ... marble falls Mar 2019 #61

Actually that is not what I said... I seriously think you are completely wrong... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #64

Hate to pimp my own OP DBoon Mar 2019 #76

Back in the day, a former union president, Ronald Reagan, told us unions were evil.... Brother Buzz Mar 2019 #30

And told us that the federal gubmint was too big and taxes were too high, and than raised ... marble falls Mar 2019 #35

But the Fat Cats were fine with it because they knew that trickle-down economics.... Brother Buzz Mar 2019 #38

Exactly right. Did you ever read the true story about the welfare queen, its amazing .... marble falls Mar 2019 #39

Whoa, great read Brother Buzz Mar 2019 #44

I read this origionally years ago here, it was posted by XChrome(?) a late member here ... marble falls Mar 2019 #48

Yep malaise Mar 2019 #46

Many were left until POC started getting Union jobs and promotions. nt Blue_true Mar 2019 #83

tRump's vision for America!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2019 #11

What is the flag for? wasupaloopa Mar 2019 #13

I am proud of those at Lordstown...and many here don't get Union pride. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #17

Are you even supposed to drape an American flag over a car windshield? llmart Mar 2019 #18

Ohio also sent Sherrod Brown and Tim Ryan back to Congress...and honestly... Youngstown went for Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #67

As for the flag yeah it was the last cruze made in this country so it meant something. Cry for Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #70

Well, I won't be crying for myself at all. llmart Mar 2019 #75

You don't even live in Ohio? Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #77

No it wasn't. I worked with Lordstown Union...most worked their tails off for Hillary and Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #14

Trumbull County (Lordstown) went 51% for Trump, 45% for Hillary scheming daemons Mar 2019 #25

And that 45% should be punished because? IronLionZion Mar 2019 #37

You are correct scheming daemons Mar 2019 #43

No one here is punishing them. fescuerescue Mar 2019 #56

People lost their jobs, it punishes the local economy IronLionZion Mar 2019 #59

That's not what I said fescuerescue Mar 2019 #62

I would also point out that Mahoning where most of the union lived in the Youngstown area Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #68

Not those in the plants...and they went for Trump because he promised jobs and to Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #50

Thanks for the input Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #26

It wasn't just UAW (I was a member of UAW when I worked at Akron Standard Molds.) ... marble falls Mar 2019 #41

Eye opening. Thanks for posting. oasis Mar 2019 #49

I would also say I know many of the workers left in that plant...most are good people. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #16

I would also add that the flag was on the car because it is the last Cruze made in the USA. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #19

GM is killing the Cruze. roamer65 Mar 2019 #29

You can't build cars and make money with the steel tariffs ...and the way globalization is going... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #65

I bet three quarters of them at least workinclasszero Mar 2019 #21

Speaking from my own experience as a blue collar union guy, Itchinjim Mar 2019 #23

I was a blue-collar union guy in Texas. MicaelS Mar 2019 #31

a few more years of Republican rule DBoon Mar 2019 #80

GM execs say 'thanks America for bailing us out' Bradshaw3 Mar 2019 #27

Hope they get back on their feet. ComradeFunk Mar 2019 #28

The UAW endorsed Hillary and most of them voted for Hillary IronLionZion Mar 2019 #36

+1 TheRealNorth Mar 2019 #40

Thank you. VOX Mar 2019 #63

You are absolutely right DBoon Mar 2019 #79

And so many of the ppl in that area of Ohio irisblue Mar 2019 #45

Youngstown where most of the Union live is in Mahoning County...so what you post is incorrect. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #71

Okay, so let's talk irisblue Mar 2019 #72

Tim Ryan is my representative...and both Mahoning and Trumbull are gerrymandered... I worked with Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #73

I see your points and I agree. But the poison that the 2016 voters poured out into the country irisblue Mar 2019 #74

They deserve it for giving us Trump fescuerescue Mar 2019 #52

As someone originally from that general liberalhistorian Mar 2019 #54

I've been through two layoffs lunatica Mar 2019 #78

To your question, likely a lot of them, as they did their idiot governor. Blue_true Mar 2019 #82

My brother in law retired from Lordstown captain queeg Mar 2019 #85