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UTUSN

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40. Since the thread kicked up I'll reply here. There's something just flawed about bringing OBAMA in.
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 02:50 PM
Feb 2019

"IF O. had been *ACCUSED*" ... ----------and what, had been proved guilty? or proved innocent?

How many hypotheticals are we supposed to pile on? Embedded in the premise is that OBAMA is a good/decent human, which I thoroughly believe him to be, AND that the hypothetical accusation would have deprived us of the benefits of his leadership. Which, back at the beginning of our knowing him we would not realize that we would miss somebody of wonderful potential. It's like the going-back-in-time meme to kill HITLER before he could become what he became.

I suppose that premise supposes that OBAMA would have been falsely accused. Because, I submit, that if OBAMA had been guilty of whatever horrible thing, he would *NOT* be the wonderful person and therefore we would not be deprived of benefitting from his later self.

What I sort of was seeing when the whole thing started was that just about everybody, including me, were willing to ditch NORTHAM from the get-go, but when it came to FAIRFAX not so much - when there seems to be just about the same level of credibility or lack thereof in the allegations against both. Once the second case came around, I came to reverse what I thought about NORTHAM and had doubts, mostly because of the wingnut sabotage source, about *both* set of allegations. But what I saw was that some/many here treated the two differently. Once FAIRFAX's accuser went public, her credentials were at least as solid as KAVANAUGH's accuser, yet I was seeing pandering to exonerate FAIRFAX without examination, which crosses my mind as being because of his race.

I fully agree that NORTHAM came off as clueless and as a goofball in his reaction to everything, but his later seeming to be convinced of not being in the picture and having been taken by surprise at first, put me more in doubt. While FAIRFAX's lashing out vs the accuser's being credible at least by credentials lessens my presumption of his innocence.

But to me the OBAMA comparison is a false parallel. And my whole point is that no member of any of our Democratic coalition sub-groups gets any get-out-of-jail-free card based solely on membership of the sub-group and of the coalition at large.









We have promoted a "no benefit of the doubt" hysteria here. Such things come back to bite us. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #1
There are things I would not believe of Barack Obama, & nonconsensual sex is one of them... Hekate Feb 2019 #2
How well did you know Obama in 2007? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #3
Well you got here in 2007, but you never seem to know who I am, so I'll explain again... Hekate Feb 2019 #16
Oh. I apologize for not committing your history, views and impressions of Obama to memory EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20
smdh Hekate Feb 2019 #21
I read every word of it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #24
But that's because we KNOW him now. Pretend this was back in 2004 and we didn't know him. What then? pnwmom Feb 2019 #33
I addressed the questions put to me by EB, and told her more about me than I probably should... Hekate Feb 2019 #38
Check your mail Hekate Feb 2019 #41
They would have impeached, indicted, imprisoned and popped the champagne by now. Initech Feb 2019 #4
Or what if he barged into the Miss Teen USA locker room? Blue Owl Feb 2019 #5
He wasn't... brooklynite Feb 2019 #6
Yes. It says that he was never accused of rape EffieBlack Feb 2019 #8
Perhaps he wasn't accused of rape because there was nothing approaching evidence? brooklynite Feb 2019 #9
You think evidence is the prerequisite for someone to be accused of rape? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22
What evidence has been produced against Fairfax? Did I miss something? pnwmom Feb 2019 #43
Have you read her very detailed statement? n/t theboss Feb 2019 #45
No, I'll go look for it now. Thanks. nt pnwmom Feb 2019 #46
Republicans are turning #metoo into guilty by accusation vs believe the accuser and investigate uponit7771 Feb 2019 #7
Since the Franken hatchet-job went so well, the GOP believes they oasis Feb 2019 #12
So now ANY accusation against a Democratic Office-Holder should be discounted? brooklynite Feb 2019 #13
If there's anything Dems are good at, it's the unnecessary over-correction theboss Feb 2019 #15
Dukakis in the tank. nt oasis Feb 2019 #29
case by case. But then, you knew that. oasis Feb 2019 #18
Okay - case by case. There's no evidence that this incident is a "hatchet job"... brooklynite Feb 2019 #37
Come on with the obvious strawman fallacy ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #32
A good article about this wildflower Feb 2019 #39
No, not discounted. But there should be some EVIDENCE beyond a Facebook post. nt pnwmom Feb 2019 #44
It looks like they may be right. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #26
Democrats will prevail. The GOP always overplays its hand. nt oasis Feb 2019 #28
Then he probably wouldn't have been president theboss Feb 2019 #10
Yes. I's good that he didn't rape anyone. And it's also good that no one accused him of raping them EffieBlack Feb 2019 #23
You mean, it's good no one accused him of rape. Because that's all we have right now. pnwmom Feb 2019 #36
Has Lt. Gov. Fairfax been forced out of anything? brooklynite Feb 2019 #11
O.K., this particular hypothetical is over the top. Why something about OBAMA that UTUSN Feb 2019 #14
This is the danger inherent in identity politics theboss Feb 2019 #17
To be clear for ME, "identity politics" & "trend in the Dem party" & "black woman/black man" UTUSN Feb 2019 #19
But we don't have any more reason to think that Fairfax was capable of this pnwmom Feb 2019 #35
Since the thread kicked up I'll reply here. There's something just flawed about bringing OBAMA in. UTUSN Feb 2019 #40
Yes, I was assuming that Obama would have been FALSELY accused, pnwmom Feb 2019 #42
he was accused of killing his gay lovers who he did drugs with JI7 Feb 2019 #25
He wasn't? jberryhill Feb 2019 #27
Wait wait, ooh pick me! Pick me! I know! jberryhill Feb 2019 #31
I admire Barack Obama more than any other modern day politician PTWB Feb 2019 #30
But that's because we know Obama well now. What if this happened when he was just a state politician pnwmom Feb 2019 #34
Do you think the fact we railroaded Al Franken is coming back to haunt us? Joe941 Feb 2019 #47
Yes. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #48
To be honest, all of this is far too triggering for me. moriah Feb 2019 #49
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