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Hekate

(90,677 posts)
16. Well you got here in 2007, but you never seem to know who I am, so I'll explain again...
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 01:02 AM
Feb 2019

I remember the speech Obama gave at the DNC during the BushCheney administration. 2004? It made a huge impression here at DU -- wow, we all said, this guy's an up-and-comer. I live 2 hours out from Los Angeles, and some of my activist Dem friends filled a van with people to go hear him speak at a neighborhood park somewhere in LA. 2006? It was outdoors and it was packed. We had to park blocks away. He told a story -- all politicians tell a story, but this was pretty much the story of this country as I would tell it myself, and of course I liked that.

I heard about his book and made a point of reading it. I discovered there were only a few degrees of separation between us -- His parents and I went to the same university, though they were a bit before my time. I supported the first campaign of a man who turned out to be a close friend of his mother and father when they were all students: Neil Abercrombie, who by the time I met him was a university prof running for the legislative seat in the 3-M District (Makiki, McCully, Manoa) where I lived. You may have heard his name because he ended up in the US Congress and later became Governor of Hawai'i, but no matter.

Barack Obama's autobiography went straight to my heart as a fellow kama'aina. I never in my life thought my small remote home state would produce a man who might actually end up as president. His grandparents had a very similar reaction to moving to the Islands as my parents did when they came: this is an ethnically-blended paradise. It's not really Heaven, real people with real troubles live there, but in the 1950s and 1960s it was very different in atmosphere from the Mainland.

And there was so much more that he revealed. To you, he is a black man with a white mother. Right? To me, I see how his haole mother fostered his African American identity even when they moved to Indonesia. To me, I see the choices of identity he had, and how he chose to move to the Mainland and how he chose Michelle Robinson. And -- I see the stamp of Hawai'i on him to his core.

But here at DU we had some good old battles over his identity -- I can't remember who said he didn't seem black enough, but there it was.

Be that as it may, although my first choice in 2007-8 was Hillary, I was happy to support Obama. We all want to imagine we understand our preferred candidates' character -- but it would seem so out of character to me if someone accused Obama of nonconsensual sex. As far as I can tell, the man has not had a breath of scandal on him. It would take a lot of convincing for me to lose faith in him.

I don't know what you want me to say. Perhaps you chose the wrong example to use on me and should throw out another challenge.

All things being equal, despite being #MeToo , I try to not make snap judgments when someone I really know nothing about is accused of something, and it has nothing zero zilch nada to do with the color of their skin. I don't know very damn much about Virginia except it is Southern and is allegedly turning Blue, but I sure know Nixonian ratfucking when I see it, and we just keep falling for it.



We have promoted a "no benefit of the doubt" hysteria here. Such things come back to bite us. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #1
There are things I would not believe of Barack Obama, & nonconsensual sex is one of them... Hekate Feb 2019 #2
How well did you know Obama in 2007? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #3
Well you got here in 2007, but you never seem to know who I am, so I'll explain again... Hekate Feb 2019 #16
Oh. I apologize for not committing your history, views and impressions of Obama to memory EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20
smdh Hekate Feb 2019 #21
I read every word of it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #24
But that's because we KNOW him now. Pretend this was back in 2004 and we didn't know him. What then? pnwmom Feb 2019 #33
I addressed the questions put to me by EB, and told her more about me than I probably should... Hekate Feb 2019 #38
Check your mail Hekate Feb 2019 #41
They would have impeached, indicted, imprisoned and popped the champagne by now. Initech Feb 2019 #4
Or what if he barged into the Miss Teen USA locker room? Blue Owl Feb 2019 #5
He wasn't... brooklynite Feb 2019 #6
Yes. It says that he was never accused of rape EffieBlack Feb 2019 #8
Perhaps he wasn't accused of rape because there was nothing approaching evidence? brooklynite Feb 2019 #9
You think evidence is the prerequisite for someone to be accused of rape? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22
What evidence has been produced against Fairfax? Did I miss something? pnwmom Feb 2019 #43
Have you read her very detailed statement? n/t theboss Feb 2019 #45
No, I'll go look for it now. Thanks. nt pnwmom Feb 2019 #46
Republicans are turning #metoo into guilty by accusation vs believe the accuser and investigate uponit7771 Feb 2019 #7
Since the Franken hatchet-job went so well, the GOP believes they oasis Feb 2019 #12
So now ANY accusation against a Democratic Office-Holder should be discounted? brooklynite Feb 2019 #13
If there's anything Dems are good at, it's the unnecessary over-correction theboss Feb 2019 #15
Dukakis in the tank. nt oasis Feb 2019 #29
case by case. But then, you knew that. oasis Feb 2019 #18
Okay - case by case. There's no evidence that this incident is a "hatchet job"... brooklynite Feb 2019 #37
Come on with the obvious strawman fallacy ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #32
A good article about this wildflower Feb 2019 #39
No, not discounted. But there should be some EVIDENCE beyond a Facebook post. nt pnwmom Feb 2019 #44
It looks like they may be right. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #26
Democrats will prevail. The GOP always overplays its hand. nt oasis Feb 2019 #28
Then he probably wouldn't have been president theboss Feb 2019 #10
Yes. I's good that he didn't rape anyone. And it's also good that no one accused him of raping them EffieBlack Feb 2019 #23
You mean, it's good no one accused him of rape. Because that's all we have right now. pnwmom Feb 2019 #36
Has Lt. Gov. Fairfax been forced out of anything? brooklynite Feb 2019 #11
O.K., this particular hypothetical is over the top. Why something about OBAMA that UTUSN Feb 2019 #14
This is the danger inherent in identity politics theboss Feb 2019 #17
To be clear for ME, "identity politics" & "trend in the Dem party" & "black woman/black man" UTUSN Feb 2019 #19
But we don't have any more reason to think that Fairfax was capable of this pnwmom Feb 2019 #35
Since the thread kicked up I'll reply here. There's something just flawed about bringing OBAMA in. UTUSN Feb 2019 #40
Yes, I was assuming that Obama would have been FALSELY accused, pnwmom Feb 2019 #42
he was accused of killing his gay lovers who he did drugs with JI7 Feb 2019 #25
He wasn't? jberryhill Feb 2019 #27
Wait wait, ooh pick me! Pick me! I know! jberryhill Feb 2019 #31
I admire Barack Obama more than any other modern day politician PTWB Feb 2019 #30
But that's because we know Obama well now. What if this happened when he was just a state politician pnwmom Feb 2019 #34
Do you think the fact we railroaded Al Franken is coming back to haunt us? Joe941 Feb 2019 #47
Yes. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #48
To be honest, all of this is far too triggering for me. moriah Feb 2019 #49
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