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In reply to the discussion: GIFT From McCain's Opposition Research On Mitt: Romney and Bain profited from massive Medicare Fraud [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)17. David Koch is one of the delegates from NY state and will be at the convention. Masks coming off?
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-conventions/david-koch-to-be-romney-delegate-20120809
Even if he doesn't run for POTUS, as it's beneath him most likely in his POV, he's going to be on hand and not as an ordinary delegate, no doubt. He's going to be overseeing his puppets, Paul Ryan and Mittens.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/koch-brothers-network_n_1560596.html
He's run for POTUS before on the Libertarian Party ticket, which his family has been a part of and failed to get a direct win. The Libertarian Party is trying to get the GOP off the ballot in Washington state for some obscure reason, denying the GOP, or rather, the Tea Party voters.
But the Tea Party is their creation, too. There is nowhere for the GOP voter to turn that is not part of the Koch family echo box. They've founded and bankrolled the John Birch Society, who are the Patriot, Soveriegn Citizen and Infowars idols. Anti-establishment in name only.
Ron Paul also ran for POTUS on the Libertarian ticket, and his followers still think these people who are trying to destroy this country didn't pull that puppet's strings, for some reason. They have been deluded by conspiracy media as alternative to those awful 'statist, progressive, liberal, gun grabbing, baby killing Demon-Rats.'
Now Koch has all his underlings in one place, and with the money he's donated to the GOP to defeat Obama, he may call in his markers in the public eye at last. ALEC is in trouble, but why not show the real face of these front organizations, like the Cato Institute, Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperty?
The Koch brothers have been involved in the installation of puppets in several states, such as Scott Walker, Rick Scott and Paul Ryan, just to name a few. Koch corporations are opening offices next door to legislatures and lobbying to stop public infrastructure so that they can take it over as they are doing with bridges, roads and water resources.
This is one thing I will not let die, even if Thom never recovers fully from his recent surgery and mishap, keeping him off the air:
http://www.thomhartmann.com/articles/2012/08/thom-will-return-soon
Here are his words, the transcipt posted here:
Thom Hartmann: Conservative Millennials, Boomers & Libertarians all being Conned
Multigenerational political influence by a very narrow special interest group is rare, but we're seeing it played out right now in front of us. A billionaire family - the Kochs - have gone from influencing my father's generation, to my generation, to my kids' generation - and very few Americans realize it. Daddy Koch - Fred - made his first millions palling around with Joe Stalin in the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 1930s. As the fascists rose to power in Europe in the 1930s, he was an enthusiastic supporter of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, who invented the word "fascist," meaning essentially the takeover of democratic governments by big business interests. Mussolini went so far as to dissolve the Italian parliament, and replace elected politicians with representatives of each district's largest corporations. Fred Koch and Mussolini both particularly hated the trade unionists and their sometimes allies, the communists. So after Mussolini, along with his ally Hitler, lost World War II against America, Fred Koch brought the anti-communist pro-business-running-goverment - what some would call "facist" - torch to America big time, helping start the John Birch Society.
Two of their biggest efforts are pretty well known. After the Supreme Court ruled, in 1954, in the Brown versus Board of Education case, that segregation in schools was unconstitutional, the John Birch Society put up billboards all across America calling for the impeachment of the Chief Justice of the Court, Earl Warren. Daddy Fred Koch was very concerned about the integration of our schools - in fact, he wrote, "The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America." With JFK's election, Fred Koch's John Birch Society went off again - this time against JFK. Using rhetoric not that different from the "secret Muslim" plots the Tea Party promotes about Obama, in a 1963 speech Fred said that " infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the President is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us.
When JFK was scheduled to come to Dallas that year, the JBS distributed flyers saying, "Wanted, for Treason" all around the town two days before his arrival. On the day JFK was assassinated, large ads ran in the Dallas newspapers attacking Kennedy as being soft on Castro, among other things. That was my dad's generation. Daddy Koch died, and his sons Charles and David took over the family business of promoting the business and billionaire takeover of our American government.
They're doing it with a two-pronged attack. For people over forty, they're funding the Tea Party through a variety of groups, most notably Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks. And for people under forty, they're funding Libertarian think tanks, like the Charles Koch Foundation (which was renamed as the Cato Institute), and the Reason Foundation, where David Koch is a trustee, which happily embraces a new generation of young people with the idea that "freedom" means the "freedom" to buy politicians and the "freedom" to pollute. For the young people, of course, the Libertarians throw in the "freedom" to smoke dope and hire a hooker, but those are just bones being cynically tossed to young potheads and young protoge's of Dick Morris.
But the Koch's have been inside the Libertarian movement from its beginning - 32 years ago this year, David Koch was the Libertarian Party's official candidate for Vice President of the United States. It's really pretty incredible, but it's all true. The main agenda of the Koch's John Birch Society was to enhance the power and control of our government by big business and billionaires, while fighting organized labor and people like me who were protesting the Vietnam War. The main agenda of the Koch's Tea Party is to get millionaires elected to Congress and have them cut taxes and regulations for Koch Industries and other polluting corporations, while fighting organized labor and people like me who were protesting the Iraq War.
And the main agenda of the Koch's Libertarians - again, funded and trained by the Koch Brothers - is to keep intact the power of big money over our government, cut taxes and regulations on billionaires and polluting industries, while fighting organized labor and people like me who are protesting the corporate takeover of the United States of America. Three generations of Americans, all duped by the same billionaire family. Three generations buying into the idea that "what's best for industry and billionaires is best for America" - and that government is our "enemy" rather than something that our nation's founders fought and died to create for all of "We The People" And, increasingly, it's not just the Koch family. The Walton family - whose combined wealth is greater than 40 percent of all Americans - funded a covert campaign to rename the estate tax as the "death tax" and lobbied so hard they got the estate tax eliminated entirely in 2010.
Senator Bernie Sanders pointed out yesterday that - so far - we know of 26 billionaires - worth over $146 billion - who have already "invested" or committed to invest over $561 million dollars in this election cycle - most of it to defeat Democrats who want to raise their taxes. The good news is that young people are waking up and realizing that the Libertarian hustle the billionaires are feeding them is just that - a hustle. Just like Tea Partiers are waking up to their having been had by billionaires who want to privatize their Social Security. Hopefully, soon, America will regain its sanity and we'll go back to viewing cranky billionaires the way my Dad's generation did - as Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower did - when Eisenhower referred to their ilk as "small in number and stupid" They're not stupid any more, and if we really value American traditions, we really must push back on this kind of power and influence in American politics. Go to move to amend.org.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101744227
I consider them to be one of the greatest threats to our government there is. You can see they want it eliminated. Okay, I'm obsessed. I'll get over it sooner or later. And I understand the comical aspect of these old cranks wanting all of this power. But R-R in office will be no joke.
Even if he doesn't run for POTUS, as it's beneath him most likely in his POV, he's going to be on hand and not as an ordinary delegate, no doubt. He's going to be overseeing his puppets, Paul Ryan and Mittens.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/koch-brothers-network_n_1560596.html
He's run for POTUS before on the Libertarian Party ticket, which his family has been a part of and failed to get a direct win. The Libertarian Party is trying to get the GOP off the ballot in Washington state for some obscure reason, denying the GOP, or rather, the Tea Party voters.
But the Tea Party is their creation, too. There is nowhere for the GOP voter to turn that is not part of the Koch family echo box. They've founded and bankrolled the John Birch Society, who are the Patriot, Soveriegn Citizen and Infowars idols. Anti-establishment in name only.
Ron Paul also ran for POTUS on the Libertarian ticket, and his followers still think these people who are trying to destroy this country didn't pull that puppet's strings, for some reason. They have been deluded by conspiracy media as alternative to those awful 'statist, progressive, liberal, gun grabbing, baby killing Demon-Rats.'
Now Koch has all his underlings in one place, and with the money he's donated to the GOP to defeat Obama, he may call in his markers in the public eye at last. ALEC is in trouble, but why not show the real face of these front organizations, like the Cato Institute, Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperty?
The Koch brothers have been involved in the installation of puppets in several states, such as Scott Walker, Rick Scott and Paul Ryan, just to name a few. Koch corporations are opening offices next door to legislatures and lobbying to stop public infrastructure so that they can take it over as they are doing with bridges, roads and water resources.
This is one thing I will not let die, even if Thom never recovers fully from his recent surgery and mishap, keeping him off the air:
http://www.thomhartmann.com/articles/2012/08/thom-will-return-soon
Here are his words, the transcipt posted here:
Thom Hartmann: Conservative Millennials, Boomers & Libertarians all being Conned
Multigenerational political influence by a very narrow special interest group is rare, but we're seeing it played out right now in front of us. A billionaire family - the Kochs - have gone from influencing my father's generation, to my generation, to my kids' generation - and very few Americans realize it. Daddy Koch - Fred - made his first millions palling around with Joe Stalin in the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 1930s. As the fascists rose to power in Europe in the 1930s, he was an enthusiastic supporter of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, who invented the word "fascist," meaning essentially the takeover of democratic governments by big business interests. Mussolini went so far as to dissolve the Italian parliament, and replace elected politicians with representatives of each district's largest corporations. Fred Koch and Mussolini both particularly hated the trade unionists and their sometimes allies, the communists. So after Mussolini, along with his ally Hitler, lost World War II against America, Fred Koch brought the anti-communist pro-business-running-goverment - what some would call "facist" - torch to America big time, helping start the John Birch Society.
Two of their biggest efforts are pretty well known. After the Supreme Court ruled, in 1954, in the Brown versus Board of Education case, that segregation in schools was unconstitutional, the John Birch Society put up billboards all across America calling for the impeachment of the Chief Justice of the Court, Earl Warren. Daddy Fred Koch was very concerned about the integration of our schools - in fact, he wrote, "The colored man looms large in the Communist plan to take over America." With JFK's election, Fred Koch's John Birch Society went off again - this time against JFK. Using rhetoric not that different from the "secret Muslim" plots the Tea Party promotes about Obama, in a 1963 speech Fred said that " infiltrate the highest offices of government in the U.S. until the President is a Communist, unknown to the rest of us.
When JFK was scheduled to come to Dallas that year, the JBS distributed flyers saying, "Wanted, for Treason" all around the town two days before his arrival. On the day JFK was assassinated, large ads ran in the Dallas newspapers attacking Kennedy as being soft on Castro, among other things. That was my dad's generation. Daddy Koch died, and his sons Charles and David took over the family business of promoting the business and billionaire takeover of our American government.
They're doing it with a two-pronged attack. For people over forty, they're funding the Tea Party through a variety of groups, most notably Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks. And for people under forty, they're funding Libertarian think tanks, like the Charles Koch Foundation (which was renamed as the Cato Institute), and the Reason Foundation, where David Koch is a trustee, which happily embraces a new generation of young people with the idea that "freedom" means the "freedom" to buy politicians and the "freedom" to pollute. For the young people, of course, the Libertarians throw in the "freedom" to smoke dope and hire a hooker, but those are just bones being cynically tossed to young potheads and young protoge's of Dick Morris.
But the Koch's have been inside the Libertarian movement from its beginning - 32 years ago this year, David Koch was the Libertarian Party's official candidate for Vice President of the United States. It's really pretty incredible, but it's all true. The main agenda of the Koch's John Birch Society was to enhance the power and control of our government by big business and billionaires, while fighting organized labor and people like me who were protesting the Vietnam War. The main agenda of the Koch's Tea Party is to get millionaires elected to Congress and have them cut taxes and regulations for Koch Industries and other polluting corporations, while fighting organized labor and people like me who were protesting the Iraq War.
And the main agenda of the Koch's Libertarians - again, funded and trained by the Koch Brothers - is to keep intact the power of big money over our government, cut taxes and regulations on billionaires and polluting industries, while fighting organized labor and people like me who are protesting the corporate takeover of the United States of America. Three generations of Americans, all duped by the same billionaire family. Three generations buying into the idea that "what's best for industry and billionaires is best for America" - and that government is our "enemy" rather than something that our nation's founders fought and died to create for all of "We The People" And, increasingly, it's not just the Koch family. The Walton family - whose combined wealth is greater than 40 percent of all Americans - funded a covert campaign to rename the estate tax as the "death tax" and lobbied so hard they got the estate tax eliminated entirely in 2010.
Senator Bernie Sanders pointed out yesterday that - so far - we know of 26 billionaires - worth over $146 billion - who have already "invested" or committed to invest over $561 million dollars in this election cycle - most of it to defeat Democrats who want to raise their taxes. The good news is that young people are waking up and realizing that the Libertarian hustle the billionaires are feeding them is just that - a hustle. Just like Tea Partiers are waking up to their having been had by billionaires who want to privatize their Social Security. Hopefully, soon, America will regain its sanity and we'll go back to viewing cranky billionaires the way my Dad's generation did - as Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower did - when Eisenhower referred to their ilk as "small in number and stupid" They're not stupid any more, and if we really value American traditions, we really must push back on this kind of power and influence in American politics. Go to move to amend.org.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101744227
I consider them to be one of the greatest threats to our government there is. You can see they want it eliminated. Okay, I'm obsessed. I'll get over it sooner or later. And I understand the comical aspect of these old cranks wanting all of this power. But R-R in office will be no joke.
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kpete
Aug 2012
OP
A country that is scraping the bottom of the barrel for a presidential nominee is in real trouble.
Gregorian
Aug 2012
#3
I don't think they will. Polls are close enough that they figure they can steal it just like it is.
AllyCat
Aug 2012
#6
Why not just pull the curtains back and run one of the GOP wizards, Charles or David Koch? Why hide?
freshwest
Aug 2012
#7
David Koch is one of the delegates from NY state and will be at the convention. Masks coming off?
freshwest
Aug 2012
#17
Glad you enjoyed the rant. I thought maybe you though I was nuts. I admit to the possibilty, so...
freshwest
Aug 2012
#27
YW. Spread the word about these folks, the DU link has the youtube video and a partial transcript.
freshwest
Aug 2012
#33
And speaking to all of those deluded by their front groups helps, too. Thanks for the link.
freshwest
Aug 2012
#32
Obama could use Newt Gingrich's campaign ad about Damon fraud - Romney blood money
Ian62
Aug 2012
#18
K&R. And please let's have more reporters actually do their jobs and ask, ask, ask about this.
Overseas
Aug 2012
#21
I'd like to kick this link over to CURRENT TV if someone else hasn't already
nightscanner59
Aug 2012
#29
There's a great video about this that I think Newt Gingrich used during his campaign
Poiuyt
Aug 2012
#37
Any and all things criminal Pitten's - I intend to give him a just due fitten's
laserhaas
Jan 2014
#48