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Cha

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94. Joan Walsh is so absolutely Correct!
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 05:22 AM
Sep 2018
I argued at the time that progressives, defined broadly, had in fact won the night: It’s ridiculous to define women like Whitmer, who supports a $15 minimum wage, gun-safety legislation, and Planned Parenthood funding, or Native American lesbian Obama administration veteran Davids, as merely “establishment.”
This time, the script is flipped, but the divisive storyline is the same.

I argued, too.. and so did many others around here. Just because they weren't BS/AOC backed didn't mean they weren't very Progressive Candidates. Even as their opponents tried to paint as the ol stale epithet.. "establishment"!!

But again, that’s the wrong takeaway from an exciting primary. Gillum was an early Hillary Clinton surrogate and convention delegate whose victory is first and foremost due to the hard work of African-American Democrats, the backbone of the party. The “Gillum beats the establishment” storylines are creating a false narrative, maybe even intentionally so.

I say "intentionally".. nobody could be that obtuse. And, we've had years of experience with the US "media******".

...but the media wants to give all credit to Sanders. Somehow, they are managing to frame his win as divisive, when in fact it holds the promise of ending the unnecessary schism between “identity politics” and “economic progressivism.” Gillum, by the way, didn’t have to be “pushed left” by the Sanders forces. Like a lot of folks who supported Clinton (myself included), he was already there.

That's what I've said about 75 times.. Andrew is a Uniter Not a Divider. He's doing his best to dispel the M$M divisive tactics.

But on Morning Joe, he resisted the Sanders-clone framing and “didn’t back off his economic progressivism in the slightest, but he presented it as pragmatic and solutions-oriented,” Sargent observed.

This is an important OP, she.. Thank You and Joan Walsh.. who says the Biggest Winner on Tuesday night was Bill Nellson(Florida and the country!)!

I still say Andrew but it's an important point.. Andrew can mobilize his coalitions to come out strong and they'll be voting for Bill Nelson, too.

Excellent question. Scurrilous Sep 2018 #1
Often times, one paper puts out the article and it goes out on the news feed to be picked up by 100s TheBlackAdder Sep 2018 #84
it never fails. thank you sheshe K&R JHan Sep 2018 #2
I want to know the answer to that question, Sheshe. I'm sick and tired to see every lunamagica Sep 2018 #3
Sad, isn't it luna. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #6
It's disgusting lunamagica Sep 2018 #24
Tagging on. Why is it that so many democrats GulfCoast66 Sep 2018 #4
Just imagine that we get two! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #5
I think Georgia is quite a lift, but doable GulfCoast66 Sep 2018 #105
This exactly! mcar Sep 2018 #100
Silly rabbit, wins are for whites! RockRaven Sep 2018 #7
Sanders is trying to replace him! dubyadiprecession Sep 2018 #106
One headline is not a statistically significant sample... brooklynite Sep 2018 #8
Hey, brook. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #13
I question the search term(s) for your Google search. PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #25
Also, cannot possibly have anything to do with 95% of US citizens knowing the name 'Bernie Sanders' mr_lebowski Sep 2018 #34
The relative lack of Gillum name recognition is a good point in media and search results. nt PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #37
Well talk to CNN it was in their feed ad nauseum. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #45
You got to be kidding. PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #56
Nice personal attack, PufPuf. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #60
Just pointed out the obvious. PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #63
Ummhmm sheshe2 Sep 2018 #65
Oh wait. MEDIA reporting here. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #72
Mahalo, she! Cha Sep 2018 #73
Thanks... sheshe2 Sep 2018 #79
Bonus Tweet from MrWeeks on LO'D quote.... Cha Sep 2018 #90
I have no argument with Gillum or the fact that Gillum was a HRC supporter PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #78
What? sheshe2 Sep 2018 #80
Look at you and Cha in this thread in response to my posts. PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #82
Ummhmm sheshe2 Sep 2018 #83
Wow! mcar Sep 2018 #102
You know what, PP? You need to tell that to BS when he Cha Sep 2018 #71
You are projecting that I am supporting Sanders or the Resistance PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #74
No, I'm not "projecting" anything. I stated a fact. Cha Sep 2018 #77
Sanders should be yesterday's news at DU. PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #81
"Sanders served a purpose in opening peoples eyes in the 2016 POTUS campaign to issues within the lunamagica Sep 2018 #86
It's on most newscasts too. I know that Univision will not mention Gillium without showing lunamagica Sep 2018 #87
Bingo... sheshe2 Sep 2018 #112
No need to thank me, Sheshe. Just stating a fact lunamagica Sep 2018 #113
And also the way the win was framed by CNN, and MSNBC and other cable news outlets. JHan Sep 2018 #36
Apparently given the responses here. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #47
When you've been in politics for 15 years and become competitive in a governor's race.. JHan Sep 2018 #51
Sigh sheshe2 Sep 2018 #58
Yes.. "figment".. lol. So glad I'm into REALITY! Cha Sep 2018 #75
well would you look at that.. JHan Sep 2018 #76
Yeah, Don Lemon and Andrew Gillum.. I'm going to go Cha Sep 2018 #89
I get Mr Weeks' anger but I would have framed it differently.. JHan Sep 2018 #91
Right.. MrWeeks is Cha Sep 2018 #92
I am not much of a TeeVee watcher... sheshe2 Sep 2018 #116
"Every feed said Sanders backed...Gillum won.... ad nauseum" PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #38
I already posted to you, sheshe2 Sep 2018 #48
I did read and responded and my point is still that PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #59
Funny, all those titles could have said, "Hillary-delegate Andrew Gillum wins . . . " pnwmom Sep 2018 #61
And the headlines that billed it as a Sanders v Trump race mcar Sep 2018 #101
The post is misleading as evidenced by sheshe's own search term. PufPuf23 Sep 2018 #27
Of course melman Sep 2018 #32
mel. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #49
And, here you are melman.. making it personal AGAIN. Cha Sep 2018 #68
"Tuesday's other big winner: Bernie Sanders" Cha Sep 2018 #64
Dayum! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #67
Of Course, she! Spread Andrew's word.. That he was Cha Sep 2018 #70
Taking credit for others' success is not an attractive quality. betsuni Sep 2018 #9
I haven't liked what I have read about them and their backers. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #20
Thanks. betsuni Sep 2018 #23
Geez, girl! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #50
lol@ Justintime Democrats.. ++++ JHan Sep 2018 #88
This is my new favorite thing mcar Sep 2018 #103
It is bothersome dsc Sep 2018 #10
Not surprised at the white vote for Ayanna. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #21
Well ya know Bernie thinks he can get the deplorable vote and the Black vote njhoneybadger Sep 2018 #11
Umhmm. nt sheshe2 Sep 2018 #15
Yes he does. betsuni Sep 2018 #35
I'm sorry. Did Bernie write the articles? Do you have a quote from Sanders taking credit? n/t TCJ70 Sep 2018 #104
Two words: samir.g Sep 2018 #12
This is insulting to say the least nt Quayblue Sep 2018 #14
How so? sheshe2 Sep 2018 #17
Never mind. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #19
Im at work lol Quayblue Sep 2018 #26
Ha! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #30
Gillum is his own man radical noodle Sep 2018 #16
True. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #18
I wish I could vote for both of them radical noodle Sep 2018 #22
Me too, radical. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #31
Fine by me... bout time!! AG & AP are awesome candidates!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #62
It certainly is appearing that way, rad! Cha Sep 2018 #96
Gillum won by sweeping Hillary's best counties. RandySF Sep 2018 #28
You and I know that.... sheshe2 Sep 2018 #29
Right. And Gillum was a Hillary delegate, and he was endorsed by Julian Castro pnwmom Sep 2018 #42
Oh, Good to know, RSF! I hadn't read Cha Sep 2018 #95
Here's something to understand, the news media thrives on conflict, it increases clicks... Humanist_Activist Sep 2018 #33
good point, I think that's the larger context... JHan Sep 2018 #40
Well see, that's the thing, from what I can tell, most of these candidates are interested in.... Humanist_Activist Sep 2018 #44
the party was always leaning left.. JHan Sep 2018 #46
Few seem to realize that Medicare radical noodle Sep 2018 #52
they sabotaged every effort to fix it once they got control of congress. JHan Sep 2018 #54
Yep! radical noodle Sep 2018 #55
No one is really arguing that Medicare, as structured now, would pay all medical bills. Humanist_Activist Sep 2018 #69
Ask average folks on the street radical noodle Sep 2018 #110
But you aren't quoting Democrats you are quoting media grantcart Sep 2018 #39
Like the old saying goes, a success has many parents, a failure is an orphan. nt SunSeeker Sep 2018 #41
It's usually a joint effort sandensea Sep 2018 #43
Great thread Gothmog Sep 2018 #53
White savior syndrome gtar100 Sep 2018 #57
Me too! The progressive movement is catching fire! (no surprise) InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #66
Correct DEMOCRATS are fired up and ready to go. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #85
Lulzd. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #93
Joan Walsh is so absolutely Correct! Cha Sep 2018 #94
Thank you. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #111
The Pressley win JustAnotherGen Sep 2018 #97
If Andrew Gillum were white, would the media not have declared it "a win for Sanders?" Tom Rinaldo Sep 2018 #98
These candidates won because they ran good campaigns mcar Sep 2018 #99
Policy over Platitudes.. disillusioned73 Sep 2018 #107
Thank you for THIS!!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Sep 2018 #108
Kick and Rec. It's the other way around. Ayanna Pressley showed them how to do it. kcr Sep 2018 #109
... Scurrilous Sep 2018 #114
From what I am reading ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #115
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