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moriah

(8,311 posts)
49. I don't know, truthfully.
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 04:29 PM
Aug 2018

I had the questionable benefit of having a dire warning very close to home (if you can't have a shining example...), combined with the unquestionable benefits from early talks with other children of alcoholics and addicts in rooms where you went by your first name and shared your experience, strength, and hope. I had enough education to know the "escape" from emotional pain substances bring is temporary, and often isn't even an escape at all.

The difficulty of overcoming the view that you're "turning in" someone vs potentially saving their lives, the amount of pain being at the crossroads of that decision brings, is why I felt compelled to affirm (even if you already knew, there are some things that bear repeating) you did the right thing.

As far as systemic drivers for diversion, though, as you said, selling is more the issue than theft -- even if you don't follow through, saying that you're going to have to go down to the police station and file a report that *someone* stole them might be a first-time solution if you know a teen has been sneaking pills. During various injuries, I did keep a decoy bottle in my medicine cabinet after realizing one of my friends apparently had a problem because my pill count was off, identified the friend by watching the decoy bottle's count, and told them to get help if they felt they had to steal. Safes/locks/etc. Usually people who need, and especially people who really like, their pills will protect them after theft is noticed, unless they are incapable of protecting themselves (which is why I'm more concerned about policing caregivers than little old ladies themselves).

The population most likely to sell any prescription for subsistence are low-income disability beneficiaries -- the population that likely needs the meds the most, but also needs to pay the electric bill. Most disabled people eligible for public or subsidized housing (expected to pay only 30% of their income for housing) are paying substantially more because the basic funds aren't there in the programs that are supposed to help them, the waiting lists are full, etc. States run out of LIHEAP money. Addressing those gaps in financial assistance to people likely being prescribed "good shit" IMHO *will* lower the amount of routinely diverted prescription drugs we see. And improve their quality of life, so they aren't having to sacrifice functionality for lights.

I admit I'm in the camp of believing non-acute pain requiring routine opiates should be managed by a specialist. But in their efforts to lower diversion, perhaps less should be spent on monthly urinalysis to make sure they are taking the medication (random would probably be just as effective), and more on hiring a social worker to coordinate assistance to make sure people aren't in the position of having to divert even a few of the high-street value meds they need to be taking, not selling. Would definitely make for happier patients, too -- many may desperately need such case management assistance and can't get it.

The doctor could have very well determined that his patient had become addicted to opioids. Trust Buster Aug 2018 #1
Or atreides1 Aug 2018 #2
Or, taking opioids for decades will likely result in addiction. Trust Buster Aug 2018 #3
Yeah, but so what? Mosby Aug 2018 #9
At some point, the person sometimes can't tell if it's the addiction or pain causing them anguish. Kaleva Aug 2018 #10
My point exactly. Thank you. Trust Buster Aug 2018 #13
Then the doc should have referred the patient for evaluation Mariana Aug 2018 #14
And the doc might very well have refered the patient for evaluation. Kaleva Aug 2018 #15
The patient can tell if the pain meds are working Mosby Aug 2018 #17
+1 Blue_Tires Aug 2018 #45
so is the answer for that person or persons to be WhiteTara Aug 2018 #59
You must not have had friends take their own lives Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #4
+1 LuckyCharms Aug 2018 #5
And I know people who have Od'd or have/are spending years in prison. Kaleva Aug 2018 #11
The people in chronic pain, under medical care, and who are being denied relief Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #18
+1000 Cetacea Apr 2020 #79
Are You Aware Of The Strictures Involved With Getting Legal Pain Meds? ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #21
You don't seem to know how drug addicts work. Kaleva Aug 2018 #22
Willfully Avoiding The Point ProfessorGAC Aug 2018 #28
Your wife doesn't deserve those drugs if somebody, somewhere is getting high. Coventina Aug 2018 #29
Amazing how many Puritans we have on this board. Crunchy Frog Aug 2018 #56
Opiates are pretty boring if people, pain patients or addicts, know exactly what they are getting. hunter Aug 2018 #50
exactly. When/If the day comes my doctors cut me off...... demtenjeep Aug 2018 #32
Having a daughter with a variation of the disease you have - Ms. Toad Aug 2018 #38
Thank you. That is exactly correct demtenjeep Aug 2018 #40
Easier to just cut people off and refuse to see them and not care. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #53
So???? Drahthaardogs Aug 2018 #26
That's the part I'm not quite clear on either. ecstatic Aug 2018 #52
Lots of side effects, but none of them outweigh the benefit of the pain killing. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #54
Any doctor prescribing opiates long-term should know they're creating dependence. moriah Aug 2018 #30
Taking opioids on a daily basis pretty much guarantees addiction Major Nikon Aug 2018 #77
We are under a lot of stress in the hospice world mucifer Aug 2018 #6
Yeah not fooled Aug 2018 #7
Of course not. Suicides can't be exploited politically the way OD deaths can. kcr Aug 2018 #8
If they get addicted they deserve to be cut off forever and live in agony. Mariana Aug 2018 #12
A person got arrested not far from where I live for selling her opioi prescription pills to addicts. Kaleva Aug 2018 #16
So a criminal lived close to you. What does that have to do with chronic pain? kcr Aug 2018 #19
You apparently don't care about the pain innocents suffer. Kaleva Aug 2018 #23
I am the child of a drug addict, and my siblings suffered because the other addict was their mom. moriah Aug 2018 #31
My youngest stepson is a recovering addict. Kaleva Aug 2018 #43
Still... you're kind of making my point. moriah Aug 2018 #44
Would he even started on the pills had they not been so easily available? Kaleva Aug 2018 #47
I don't know, truthfully. moriah Aug 2018 #49
I don't have a high opinion of those who sell or give their prescription drugs Kaleva Aug 2018 #74
.... if you're saying docs shouldn't prescribe for obvious acute (as in, not chronic) injuries... moriah Aug 2018 #75
you apparently don't care for those that deeply suffer DAILY demtenjeep Aug 2018 #34
Not if they sell to addicts Kaleva Aug 2018 #48
What? People selling them arent using them, trust me on this. Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #55
i don't demtenjeep Aug 2018 #63
Trust me. If one is in chronic pain they will most certainly NOT be selling their meds demtenjeep Aug 2018 #33
Facts refute your statement. Kaleva Aug 2018 #42
NO, they DONT Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #57
I don't give a shit REP Aug 2018 #58
i am speaking from personal experience demtenjeep Aug 2018 #62
Additional Supporting facts erhaustin Apr 2020 #78
I think a lot of people in big pain are addicted. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2018 #20
There seems to be a lot of confusion on this thread between DEPENDENCY and ADDICTION Coventina Aug 2018 #24
Thank you! runtel Aug 2018 #25
IKR? Somebody somewhere might get high, so screw anyone who needs the drugs! Coventina Aug 2018 #27
exactly. demtenjeep Aug 2018 #35
Beg to differ *slightly*. moriah Aug 2018 #37
Thank you. Corgigal Aug 2018 #39
I understand people are suffering from opiod abuse, but I cannot abide leaving people in pain aikoaiko Aug 2018 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Ligyron Aug 2018 #41
Some of you on this thread needs to google thalamic pain shraby Aug 2018 #46
The crackdown is actually driving people to the underground market fescuerescue Aug 2018 #51
Opioids Don't Beat Other Medications For Chronic Pain janterry Aug 2018 #60
One huge problem with that? NSAIDS are FAR more dangerous than Opioids. Coventina Aug 2018 #61
I'm not an MD janterry Aug 2018 #65
opioids, when used correctly are very safe, not so NSAIDS Coventina Aug 2018 #68
my dad had terminal cancer Mosby Aug 2018 #73
Not everyone can take those other medications. Eliminating opioids removes the best option pnwmom Aug 2018 #64
That's crazy. A terminal illness is a whole different thing janterry Aug 2018 #66
She didn't have a cancer diagnosis. She was just so old that her systems were failing. pnwmom Aug 2018 #67
I'm so sorry for your loss janterry Aug 2018 #70
She was very old and she didn't want them to do anything more, except relieve the pain. pnwmom Aug 2018 #72
smoke weed, won't kill your liver like pills JuJuYoshida Aug 2018 #69
That's not an option for those of us who have government jobs. n/t Coventina Aug 2018 #71
It doesn't work for everyone. For people with metastatic cancer mucifer Aug 2018 #76
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