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PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
19. Well, not to split hairs but these radical right wing Ayn Rand ideologues have
Thu Aug 23, 2018, 08:40 PM
Aug 2018

kind of stolen the traditional libertarian mantle.

What I understand, and was alluding to, is the 4 part matrix below - the example has outdated names in it, but basically I fall in the libertarian left, which means I'm very socially liberal - definitely believe to each their own as long as their 'each' doesn't hurt the others around them, but also very economically liberal, meaning I like more government solutions, and hesitate to privatize stuff that should be in the public good, like health care. I guess on this thing, that is just 'left.'

So there it is. However, I did see some models that depict the libertarians with the new understanding of that term, which is the Grover Norquist drown government in the bathtub model, which breeds oligarchy, which we pretty much have now.

So, what I meant is this: Bill seems to be very socially liberal, but to the economic left. Like me. He did start off supporting Bernie, as did I. And, like Bill, I'm all for legalization. I don't use it, but I don't see how it's my business if you do, unless you get high and hurt someone else. I feel that way about abortion too - none of my biz what a woman and her doctor decide. And, for that matter, about marriage. If two people love each other let them marry. Doesn't affect me. That's what I mean - I was equating socially liberal 'live and let live' philosophy with libertarianism, which it was originally. Then you had Norquist, Ayn Rand, and the rest of the neoliberal movement co-opt the libertarian meme. But you know, Rand's objectivism is quite similar to satanism. Seriously, it is. And Rand Paul - he's a small government conservative, NOT a libertarian in the traditional sense because he's against abortion.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth. No argument, though, but hope what I wrote above and this matrix clarifies what I said. But, yeah, I do concede the point that libertarianism now basically serves the adversary. These billionaire freaks and purist capitalists are not warriors of the light, let's put it that way.



Whatever I have thought of him at times.. I thank Cha Aug 2018 #1
Hey, Cha! yallerdawg Aug 2018 #3
The operative word is "prepared"! Cha Aug 2018 #7
Agree, Cha, and I hope you are staying safe. spooky3 Aug 2018 #8
Mahalo, Spooky! Being Prepared.. Cha Aug 2018 #10
Good vibes to you--hope the storm will move off to sea. spooky3 Aug 2018 #23
Yeah, Thank You, Spooky! I want Cha Aug 2018 #24
I know; I was being facetious. Not hearing about spooky3 Aug 2018 #26
Oh! LOL.. I fell for it! Cha Aug 2018 #27
Thank you Bill Maher! Auggie Aug 2018 #2
I love Bill Maher. betsuni Aug 2018 #4
He promoted Senator Sanders (I-VT) on HIS show until it was over. yallerdawg Aug 2018 #6
He was a strong Hillary supporter and did excellent work before the election. betsuni Aug 2018 #9
No they aren't. What kind of talk is that? PatrickforO Aug 2018 #14
Bill isn't a libertarian. betsuni Aug 2018 #18
Well, not to split hairs but these radical right wing Ayn Rand ideologues have PatrickforO Aug 2018 #19
When Bill said he was a libertarian, he meant civil libertarian. phleshdef Aug 2018 #21
Good news. SamKnause Aug 2018 #5
Love Bill superpatriotman Aug 2018 #11
Like Gallagher used to say: OMGWTF Aug 2018 #17
Glad he did it & challenged other deep pocketed Dems to get fiscally real stuffmatters Aug 2018 #12
He gave $1 Million to Obama's PAC too n/t TexasBushwhacker Aug 2018 #33
Always admired him for that.Proportionately he gives way more than those billionaires stuffmatters Aug 2018 #37
Thank you Bill! smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #13
i LOVE Bill Maher also!!!!! onecent Aug 2018 #15
I love you Bill Mahar OMGWTF Aug 2018 #16
Some people talk a good game. lpbk2713 Aug 2018 #20
Good. dalton99a Aug 2018 #22
I wish he would do it and keep his mouth shut, other than evidcerating republicans on his show. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #25
So he's only allowed to speak when he agrees with you? Bradshaw3 Aug 2018 #28
You made all type of assumptions, all of them fucking wrong. Blue_true Aug 2018 #29
Individual political giving is a matter of public record. VOX Aug 2018 #30
Sheesh calm down Bradshaw3 Aug 2018 #31
Maybe if you didn't make assumptions about every sentence, you would get the fucking correct intent Blue_true Aug 2018 #34
You wrote one sentence which didn't explain anything Bradshaw3 Aug 2018 #35
Good that you are done with me. Circular arguments bore me. nt Blue_true Aug 2018 #36
Go Bill voteearlyvoteoften Aug 2018 #32
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