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In reply to the discussion: Bill Maher Contributes $1 Million to Democrats' Senate Majority PAC (EXCLUSIVE) [View all]PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)kind of stolen the traditional libertarian mantle.
What I understand, and was alluding to, is the 4 part matrix below - the example has outdated names in it, but basically I fall in the libertarian left, which means I'm very socially liberal - definitely believe to each their own as long as their 'each' doesn't hurt the others around them, but also very economically liberal, meaning I like more government solutions, and hesitate to privatize stuff that should be in the public good, like health care. I guess on this thing, that is just 'left.'
So there it is. However, I did see some models that depict the libertarians with the new understanding of that term, which is the Grover Norquist drown government in the bathtub model, which breeds oligarchy, which we pretty much have now.
So, what I meant is this: Bill seems to be very socially liberal, but to the economic left. Like me. He did start off supporting Bernie, as did I. And, like Bill, I'm all for legalization. I don't use it, but I don't see how it's my business if you do, unless you get high and hurt someone else. I feel that way about abortion too - none of my biz what a woman and her doctor decide. And, for that matter, about marriage. If two people love each other let them marry. Doesn't affect me. That's what I mean - I was equating socially liberal 'live and let live' philosophy with libertarianism, which it was originally. Then you had Norquist, Ayn Rand, and the rest of the neoliberal movement co-opt the libertarian meme. But you know, Rand's objectivism is quite similar to satanism. Seriously, it is. And Rand Paul - he's a small government conservative, NOT a libertarian in the traditional sense because he's against abortion.
Anyway, that's my two cents worth. No argument, though, but hope what I wrote above and this matrix clarifies what I said. But, yeah, I do concede the point that libertarianism now basically serves the adversary. These billionaire freaks and purist capitalists are not warriors of the light, let's put it that way.