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138. Making a claim without providing evidence is a tell

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Democratic Socialists are not yet the majority in the Democratic Party... [View all] kentuck Jul 2018 OP

Good thoughts,my dear kentuck, and I agree with you. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2018 #1

Thanks Peggy! kentuck Jul 2018 #2

You're welcome, dear kentuck! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2018 #3

Democrats always find a way to lose manor321 Jul 2018 #4

We do NOT always do that. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2018 #6

Check out the photo of AOC's rally for a candidate she's backing in this link. brush Jul 2018 #107

Democrats always forget the momentum that a promise HopeAgain Jul 2018 #11

This 100%! docgee Jul 2018 #22

What you said! rainy Jul 2018 #76

We need only to convince the INDEPENDENTS. Duppers Jul 2018 #77

cool story bro ! stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #18

I would argue that, in this moment in time, none of that matters. Let's shelve it and come back Squinch Jul 2018 #5

Amen! kentuck Jul 2018 #8

Wholeheartedly agree! backtoblue Jul 2018 #84

democratic socialists are a small portion of the democratic party, but news is going to focus on beachbum bob Jul 2018 #7

Exactly. So we should not focus on it and not allow ourselves to be divided. Squinch Jul 2018 #9

The everyday democratic voter doesn't care, we have our aim of retaking our country, policy beachbum bob Jul 2018 #12

But even here in recent days I've noticed a new unity. The response to the obvious trolls seems Squinch Jul 2018 #17

Hopefully lessons have been learned that any voice that comes into play that breeds dissention beachbum bob Jul 2018 #19

The trolls and bots are on Facebook (I don't do twitter, etc) actively pushing this right now. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #37

Am I misreading it or did the "walkaway" nonsense fall flat on its face? I've seen more ridicule of Squinch Jul 2018 #46

Yes, it is. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #56

Hamilton 68 charted the . . . peggysue2 Jul 2018 #67

News doesn't focus on it. The socialists do. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #41

Socialism does not equal democratic socialism. But yes, we would do better by emphasizing the KPN Jul 2018 #54

That's too long to fit on the ballot. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #106

That makes too much sense. Some seem to want to distinguish themselves... brush Jul 2018 #111

Yes, claiming the DSA peggysue2 Jul 2018 #71

DSA membership is fast growing and now is over 40k SkyDancer Jul 2018 #115

Even if that is true . . . peggysue2 Jul 2018 #122

The weeds? SkyDancer Jul 2018 #123

Yes, we are a big tent party peggysue2 Jul 2018 #124

Preach it! SkyDancer Jul 2018 #141

If we would get rid of the labels and talk about issues we would not have the division and the wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #10

Wow. Boomer Jul 2018 #31

Wow, You just don't get it wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #38

Calm down, Boomer. No one is using Democratic Socialist in a derogatory fashion here. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #39

I think Democratic Socialists are a coalition within the Democratic Party. kentuck Jul 2018 #93

Agree, kentuck. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #105

That's a term you just call yourself. There is no "Democratic Socialist" party. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #42

There are no democratic socialists.. The are democrats. lancelyons Jul 2018 #60

I use to belong to the Demacrtic Socialists of America. The "Democratic" in the name has wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #62

Would you walk away from any term the GOP attempted to redefine and label us with? like JCanete Jul 2018 #65

When they start winning GENERAL ELECTIONS. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2018 #13

If there is an "R" running, we should vote against that person... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #45

DSA has won several elections SkyDancer Jul 2018 #116

I wish they wouldn't use that name janterry Jul 2018 #14

I live in the South at the moment peggysue2 Jul 2018 #125

Good post. rogerashton Jul 2018 #15

Wait, what? Boomer Jul 2018 #33

Like it or not, many will not vote for a "socialist." Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #47

Tell that to the hard liners here in Kentucky leftofcool Jul 2018 #49

Decades ago rogerashton Jul 2018 #63

It would be nice if people who called themselves socialist knew what socialism was. former9thward Jul 2018 #102

Lol. Not yet? Seriously, a wide range of viewpoints Hortensis Jul 2018 #16

Yep. kentuck Jul 2018 #94

Right now we're all over the map and that's a good thing BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #20

It sure is "one big fat problem"!! nt 7962 Jul 2018 #29

That's because so many Reeps have joined the party. ananda Jul 2018 #21

Maybe they don't identify that way but the policies the candidates espouse are not Nanjeanne Jul 2018 #23

I have to laugh, well, maybe cry. watoos Jul 2018 #24

It's a big tent; let's keep divisive battles to primaries & after elections. Unite for elections. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #25

THIS. Obsess on internal Democratic Party politics at our peril. Only coalition will DEFEAT THE GOP. FreepFryer Jul 2018 #26

I understand ouija Jul 2018 #27

Not scared. As we say, a big tent. But some districts need different candidates than others to win. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #34

Once again, spot on. (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2018 #36

And what are they supposed to "do" about those with wealth? 7962 Jul 2018 #28

Wealth has been moving to the rich in greater and greater number every year. It is not because they wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #53

To those on the right Glamrock Jul 2018 #30

Sure, they're not persuadable. But they are trying to persuade persuadable voters to the right wing. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #35

Regardless. Glamrock Jul 2018 #43

It's Possible colsohlibgal Jul 2018 #32

There have been "democratic socialists" for a long time... Sancho Jul 2018 #40

"yet" ... HA! :-D NurseJackie Jul 2018 #44

Democratic Socialist is a BS Term used by the RIGHT. lancelyons Jul 2018 #48

Well said SHRED Jul 2018 #55

"liberal" has also been used by the right, and we shrunk the fuck away from it. Any name will be JCanete Jul 2018 #64

I have no problem with this wryter2000 Jul 2018 #50

That will never happen, and they're not even close to being a "big part" of the Democratic Party. George II Jul 2018 #51

Never say never SkyDancer Jul 2018 #119

LOL!! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #132

Well a winning approach isn't what I had in mind SkyDancer Jul 2018 #140

Okay, here you and I agree peggysue2 Jul 2018 #142

You can bet Putin is using the "socialist" label SHRED Jul 2018 #52

Just because of the divisivness heaven05 Jul 2018 #57

We have more immediate challenges than relabeling our party. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #58

It would be a mistake for the Democratic Socialists to emphasize the Socialist. Many people who OregonBlue Jul 2018 #59

Democratic Socialists are moderates by post WWII standards. And they are moderates KPN Jul 2018 #61

+100 Duppers Jul 2018 #78

Democratic Socialists aren't socialists. They're Social Democrats. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #66

They used to be back in the 50's, 60's and 70's. They are just New Deal Democrats Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #68

Man, that last sentence was some pure White privileges. Blue_true Jul 2018 #70

Not talking about racial justice issues and neither is the OP Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #72

If there is no racial justice, there cannot be social justice. Blue_true Jul 2018 #74

Are you seriously accusing me of being prejudice? Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #80

No. I have read your posts and generally like them. Blue_true Jul 2018 #83

Okay, gotcha Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #87

We can agree to disagree. Blue_true Jul 2018 #88

I agree with what you just said Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #95

Could you please explain what you mean here: betsuni Jul 2018 #99

It seems like we can't have one without the other. KPN Jul 2018 #104

I agree. They are inseparable as policy, IMO. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #110

Nope. He's pointing out it's a privilege to be able to set aside the issue. And it undoubtedly is. bettyellen Jul 2018 #85

Noam Chomsky says pretty much exactly what I said in this video Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #73

You buttress your argument by using a guy that is tone dealf on racial justice. Blue_true Jul 2018 #75

Quit using your absolutely disgusting strawman argument to change the subject Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #81

It is possible to not give an issue it's due importance without being insensitive to it. Blue_true Jul 2018 #86

Sure, I just took your other post wrong Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #89

No problem, we are democrats, we disagree a lot. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #108

'white kids became free love hippies while POC died in Vietnam' melman Jul 2018 #92

Blacks died at a higher percentage per capital. Blue_true Jul 2018 #109

not true, many of those democrats were bigots who stopped supporting JI7 Jul 2018 #90

See this point Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #96

none of that changes anything. white people stopped supporting many things including unions JI7 Jul 2018 #98

Sorry, we are talking about two different things Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #100

and most republicans today would not disagree with generalities like that JI7 Jul 2018 #101

During the sixties, we had a great anti-war slogan DFW Jul 2018 #69

:) "A fool and his money are soon elected." Hortensis Jul 2018 #79

I get what you're pointing to DFW Jul 2018 #91

I could have wrote what you wrote, not as well. I can't disagree with a word. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #112

"they'd (Republicans) sign both our execution orders" Hortensis Jul 2018 #126

It's the current fad, especially in Brooklyn. RandySF Jul 2018 #82

FDR/Democratic Socialist/grassroots is the new tattoo. betsuni Jul 2018 #97

I learned something in this thread. betsuni Jul 2018 #103

For some people. Blue_true Jul 2018 #113

Who? One could argue all of us when you KPN Jul 2018 #114

The Republican Party has become more right wing. betsuni Jul 2018 #117

They are only similar in that they have both KPN Jul 2018 #120

Who here? betsuni Jul 2018 #121

I haven't seen any claims re: Dems don't want universal health care KPN Jul 2018 #127

LOL betsuni Jul 2018 #129

And this is the typical response that occurs KPN Jul 2018 #131

LOL you worked really hard. betsuni Jul 2018 #135

Also typical and telling. KPN Jul 2018 #136

Typical and telling of what? betsuni Jul 2018 #137

Making a claim without providing evidence is a tell Kaleva Jul 2018 #138

What? betsuni Jul 2018 #139

These labels can kiss my ass. I just want every American to have a shot at a good quality of life. phleshdef Jul 2018 #118

Whoever defines the terms controls the discussion. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2018 #128

...and it's in the "Democratic Socialists" advantage to NOT misuse the term "socialist" brooklynite Jul 2018 #143

Excellent point! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #144

Socialist democrat is net vote loss. pwb Jul 2018 #130

Repubs have been labeliing Dems as bomb throwing radical leftists for decades. Kaleva Jul 2018 #134

2018 2018 2018 2018 awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #133

Yes!! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #145

Same ol' GOP arguments since the 1950s. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #146