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35. And, he still doesn't admit it.. doesn't

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:30 PM

Jul 2018

fit his agenda.

Right out of the gate..

Bernie Sanders 'deeply humiliated' Democrats lost white working-class voters

Washington (CNN) — Sen. Bernie Sanders expressed his disappointment Monday with Hillary Clinton's failure to secure the support of white working-class voters in last week's presidential election.

Donald Trump "very effectively" tapped into "the anger and angst and pain that many working class people are feeling," the Vermont independent senator who challenged Clinton in the Democratic primary said on "CBS This Morning."

"I think that there needs to be a profound change in the way the Democratic Party does business," Sanders said. "It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/politics/bernie-sanders-humiliated-democrats-loss-working-class-voters/index.html

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Obama vs. Sanders... [View all] brooklynite Jul 2018 OP

so much for masturbation...obama can not run dembotoz Jul 2018 #1

The question wasn't: Do you prefer Obama vs Sanders... brooklynite Jul 2018 #2

Exactly. Thank you. NT Adrahil Jul 2018 #27

Masturbation... No relevance to reality u get who runs dembotoz Jul 2018 #68

Make sure you read the OP correctly before you bring up "masturbation" Cha Jul 2018 #4

Lol sheshe2 Jul 2018 #28

Hahaha! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #70

Totally Unnecessay Description Me. Jul 2018 #104

Shows how pissed he was that President Obama Cha Jul 2018 #114

Your first sentence knocked it out of the park. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #67

Eric Holder n/t handmade34 Jul 2018 #3

Good! Glad the majority Cha Jul 2018 #5

+++++Exactly, Cha. nt R B Garr Jul 2018 #16

LOL@Tweet found on thread.. Cha Jul 2018 #50

I Am Unanimous In Approving Your Opinion Me. Jul 2018 #105

And, why wouldn't we?.. Cha Jul 2018 #115

what does that question even mean? dsc Jul 2018 #6

Come on qazplm135 Jul 2018 #7

Or maybe some what a younger candidate dsc Jul 2018 #14

yeah qazplm135 Jul 2018 #39

No, it means the Majority prefer someone Cha Jul 2018 #17

Exactly. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #31

From the Get Go, she. An amazing accomplishment Cha Jul 2018 #36

Mahalo for this, Cha pandr32 Jul 2018 #34

Aloha, pandr! How's the Big Island, Cha Jul 2018 #38

A little hazy on the West side pandr32 Jul 2018 #137

I prefer a Democratic Party registered Democrat who mirrors the sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #56

Absolutely correct Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #65

You can say that about ANY poll EffieBlack Jul 2018 #22

It was a badly written question to be honest dsc Jul 2018 #23

Boom! sheshe2 Jul 2018 #32

Link to poll: sl8 Jul 2018 #8

Among Independents it's an even split oberliner Jul 2018 #9

Liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like over Sanders-like. Conservatives prefer Sanders-like. lapucelle Jul 2018 #72

Actually the conservatives are saying they want the Democrats to run someone like Sanders oberliner Jul 2018 #74

Then the presumption would also be that liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like lapucelle Jul 2018 #81

If you were asked, would you prefer the Republicans run a candidate who is Trump-like or Bush-like.. oberliner Jul 2018 #84

If the question were, "Do you prefer a Trump-like candidate or a Bush-like candidate" lapucelle Jul 2018 #91

I don't think it's wise to make generalizations based on presumptions. N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #124

It could be that given a choice of two "Democrats" (one Democrat, one Independent).... George II Jul 2018 #88

That's an intersestng argument for closed primaries. lapucelle Jul 2018 #123

Then the presumption would also be that liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like Cha Jul 2018 #122

Inferences based on personal presumptions are problematic at best. N/T lapucelle Jul 2018 #126

Interesting. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #79

"Liberals and moderates prefer Obama-like over Sanders-like. Conservatives prefer Sanders-like" George II Jul 2018 #125

But the "not sure" is almost double of either, showing the relative involvement of "Independents". George II Jul 2018 #87

I'm a Democrat who prefers Democrats musette_sf Jul 2018 #10

Me too shenmue Jul 2018 #53

Obama is a uniquely exceptional individual who is beloved for all kinds of justified reasons in JCanete Jul 2018 #11

President Obama was an excellent President who accomplished Cha Jul 2018 #19

The power of the one percent, which extends across party identity is a big fucking deal. Sorry you JCanete Jul 2018 #42

BS is Wrong.. sorry you can't see it. BS votes with the Cha Jul 2018 #44

how is he wrong about money's influence in politics? About its stranglehold on so much of our JCanete Jul 2018 #46

I don't expect you to know that.. but I can tell you Cha Jul 2018 #47

I saw likeminded people take issue with his post...and? nt JCanete Jul 2018 #49

Again someone calling you naive. betsuni Jul 2018 #57

They can't debate on the facts so Cha Jul 2018 #59

It's remarkable that anyone who erroneously concludes that lapucelle Jul 2018 #73

It should be remarkable instead Cha Jul 2018 #112

... lapucelle Jul 2018 #117

He blocked a pathway to citizenship for economic reasons. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #69

What bill are you referring to? I'll revisit it and get back to you. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #103

It was an amendment to the 2007 Immigration Reform Bill ehrnst Jul 2018 #109

Bernie's Our Revolution is a 501c4, which is not required to disclose its donors. emulatorloo Jul 2018 #94

Which is why he lost so many good people working at OR at the start. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #110

Wow.. and they have the nerve Cha Jul 2018 #113

The "other poll" says that people prefer candidates like BS over candidates like Trump. lapucelle Jul 2018 #71

What question are you looking at? sl8 Jul 2018 #89

Look at question 86 dansolo Jul 2018 #90

Questions 86 and 87. lapucelle Jul 2018 #92

OK, thanks. n/t sl8 Jul 2018 #95

As far as I can tell that isn't how those two questions interact. The results wouldn't even make JCanete Jul 2018 #98

Strawman much? ehrnst Jul 2018 #78

Its not a strawman, we've had enough conversations. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #99

You apparently weren't referring to this one for sure. nt ehrnst Jul 2018 #107

"The power of the one percent" betsuni Jul 2018 #80

yeah, so funny. nt JCanete Jul 2018 #97

"Sanders and his direction IS appreciated by democrats.....", but not all Democrats or, given... George II Jul 2018 #86

where do we know that from? What are you citing? The binary poll of Obama vs Sanders? That JCanete Jul 2018 #101

Where do we know what? I didn't make any definitive comments. George II Jul 2018 #108

That isn't how the questions were laid out in the prefer sanders poll. It wasn't "Trump"or Sanders" JCanete Jul 2018 #111

I never said "Trump or Sanders", but look at the pie chart in the OP. George II Jul 2018 #121

Obama was moderate on policy, because that is what he could get done. Adrahil Jul 2018 #30

Well that's what he could get done with his own party. He had an option to try to use the JCanete Jul 2018 #41

This magical bully pulpit does not exist treestar Jul 2018 #120

money bullies people into policies...so yeah, we need to counter-balance that. Support our JCanete Jul 2018 #129

+1000 ehrnst Jul 2018 #76

That poll you cite doesn't say "the opposite". lapucelle Jul 2018 #66

where do you see that question phrased the way you state? 86 and 87 don't exist the way you JCanete Jul 2018 #100

Why would it have to be a single question? lapucelle Jul 2018 #116

I didn't say one refutes the other. I said that the poll in the op is not about the direction of the JCanete Jul 2018 #118

HL Menken cautioned, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." lapucelle Jul 2018 #119

I agree with you, I also drew some conclusions that weren't warranted. I do think the former poll, JCanete Jul 2018 #132

Well, surprise surprise. nt WhiteTara Jul 2018 #12

By a large margin, as well mcar Jul 2018 #13

Do you think the results would be the same with HRC instead of Obama listed? oberliner Jul 2018 #18

Probably not quite the same but similar. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #45

The 2016 primary made this abundantly clear. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #15

+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #20

.. Cha Jul 2018 #25

They probably aren't anti-semites either dansolo Jul 2018 #60

Oh yeah! Cha Jul 2018 #24

At a townhall following the election, he downplayed the role of racism to an even greater extent. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #29

And, he still doesn't admit it.. doesn't Cha Jul 2018 #35

While I'm sympathetic to what too many dismiss as "far left" positions... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #40

+++ sheshe2 Jul 2018 #33

Well said! mcar Jul 2018 #77

Good for both of them Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #21

I'd lke to see poll of Twitter dwellers. RandySF Jul 2018 #26

K&R betsuni Jul 2018 #37

It's a delightfully vague phrasing Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2018 #43

It's not so hard to figure out. Cha Jul 2018 #48

Too vague a Q / it need not be about politics at all!!! flor-de-jasmim Jul 2018 #51

I think Kamala Harris would govern similarly to Obama True_Blue Jul 2018 #52

She is my choice. sellitman Jul 2018 #83

I agree. H2O Man Jul 2018 #106

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2018 #54

That is quite okay with me. I love Obama. rusty quoin Jul 2018 #55

I want the Obama status quo back, please. betsuni Jul 2018 #58

Yes! President Obama was getting important Cha Jul 2018 #136

I'm not surprised at Obama polling substantially higher than Sanders True Dough Jul 2018 #61

Would you like a candidate GaryCnf Jul 2018 #62

I don't think bernie Maxheader Jul 2018 #63

No shock there. One is the complete package. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #64

Two of America's most beloved politicians today. jalan48 Jul 2018 #75

I support President Obama over sanders Gothmog Jul 2018 #82

To be honest, not directed toward you, that's a really stupid question. I never could understand... George II Jul 2018 #85

ya know, i bet if we looked around a bit, we could find a candidate who does both 0rganism Jul 2018 #93

Bernie had his shot. Orsino Jul 2018 #96

Simple math: H2O Man Jul 2018 #102

Bernie: Age 76. Barack: Age 56 James48 Jul 2018 #127

Just No.. I do Not want him for potus. Cha Aug 2018 #138

I'd like for the candidates to have Legitimate President Obama's charisma. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #128

Do Not try to marginalize President Obama with Cha Jul 2018 #130

I'm not marginalizing him at all. BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #133

Bull. President is so much more than Cha Jul 2018 #134

Did I say those were his ONLY assets? BlueTsunami2018 Jul 2018 #135

We want a WINNER. Obama is a winner. McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #131