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Bernardo de La Paz

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34. Not scared. As we say, a big tent. But some districts need different candidates than others to win.

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:27 AM

Jul 2018

Fight the label and candidate battles in the primaries.

Unite for the election behind whoever is the Democratic candidate and their platform. If you don't like a piece of it, don't mention it until after the election. Present a unified front against all opposition in order to win the election.

Push the policies you desire after the election. Shape policy then. Promote members from within then.

It is much easier to push a Democratic elected politician toward your desired policies than a Republican elected politician. Period.

(note: This post and my previous one do not mention one or another position on the spectra, nor labels either.)

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Democratic Socialists are not yet the majority in the Democratic Party... [View all] kentuck Jul 2018 OP

Good thoughts,my dear kentuck, and I agree with you. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2018 #1

Thanks Peggy! kentuck Jul 2018 #2

You're welcome, dear kentuck! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2018 #3

Democrats always find a way to lose manor321 Jul 2018 #4

We do NOT always do that. CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2018 #6

Check out the photo of AOC's rally for a candidate she's backing in this link. brush Jul 2018 #107

Democrats always forget the momentum that a promise HopeAgain Jul 2018 #11

This 100%! docgee Jul 2018 #22

What you said! rainy Jul 2018 #76

We need only to convince the INDEPENDENTS. Duppers Jul 2018 #77

cool story bro ! stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #18

I would argue that, in this moment in time, none of that matters. Let's shelve it and come back Squinch Jul 2018 #5

Amen! kentuck Jul 2018 #8

Wholeheartedly agree! backtoblue Jul 2018 #84

democratic socialists are a small portion of the democratic party, but news is going to focus on beachbum bob Jul 2018 #7

Exactly. So we should not focus on it and not allow ourselves to be divided. Squinch Jul 2018 #9

The everyday democratic voter doesn't care, we have our aim of retaking our country, policy beachbum bob Jul 2018 #12

But even here in recent days I've noticed a new unity. The response to the obvious trolls seems Squinch Jul 2018 #17

Hopefully lessons have been learned that any voice that comes into play that breeds dissention beachbum bob Jul 2018 #19

The trolls and bots are on Facebook (I don't do twitter, etc) actively pushing this right now. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #37

Am I misreading it or did the "walkaway" nonsense fall flat on its face? I've seen more ridicule of Squinch Jul 2018 #46

Yes, it is. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #56

Hamilton 68 charted the . . . peggysue2 Jul 2018 #67

News doesn't focus on it. The socialists do. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #41

Socialism does not equal democratic socialism. But yes, we would do better by emphasizing the KPN Jul 2018 #54

That's too long to fit on the ballot. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #106

That makes too much sense. Some seem to want to distinguish themselves... brush Jul 2018 #111

Yes, claiming the DSA peggysue2 Jul 2018 #71

DSA membership is fast growing and now is over 40k SkyDancer Jul 2018 #115

Even if that is true . . . peggysue2 Jul 2018 #122

The weeds? SkyDancer Jul 2018 #123

Yes, we are a big tent party peggysue2 Jul 2018 #124

Preach it! SkyDancer Jul 2018 #141

If we would get rid of the labels and talk about issues we would not have the division and the wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #10

Wow. Boomer Jul 2018 #31

Wow, You just don't get it wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #38

Calm down, Boomer. No one is using Democratic Socialist in a derogatory fashion here. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #39

I think Democratic Socialists are a coalition within the Democratic Party. kentuck Jul 2018 #93

Agree, kentuck. pazzyanne Jul 2018 #105

That's a term you just call yourself. There is no "Democratic Socialist" party. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #42

There are no democratic socialists.. The are democrats. lancelyons Jul 2018 #60

I use to belong to the Demacrtic Socialists of America. The "Democratic" in the name has wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #62

Would you walk away from any term the GOP attempted to redefine and label us with? like JCanete Jul 2018 #65

When they start winning GENERAL ELECTIONS. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2018 #13

If there is an "R" running, we should vote against that person... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #45

DSA has won several elections SkyDancer Jul 2018 #116

I wish they wouldn't use that name janterry Jul 2018 #14

I live in the South at the moment peggysue2 Jul 2018 #125

Good post. rogerashton Jul 2018 #15

Wait, what? Boomer Jul 2018 #33

Like it or not, many will not vote for a "socialist." Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #47

Tell that to the hard liners here in Kentucky leftofcool Jul 2018 #49

Decades ago rogerashton Jul 2018 #63

It would be nice if people who called themselves socialist knew what socialism was. former9thward Jul 2018 #102

Lol. Not yet? Seriously, a wide range of viewpoints Hortensis Jul 2018 #16

Yep. kentuck Jul 2018 #94

Right now we're all over the map and that's a good thing BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #20

It sure is "one big fat problem"!! nt 7962 Jul 2018 #29

That's because so many Reeps have joined the party. ananda Jul 2018 #21

Maybe they don't identify that way but the policies the candidates espouse are not Nanjeanne Jul 2018 #23

I have to laugh, well, maybe cry. watoos Jul 2018 #24

It's a big tent; let's keep divisive battles to primaries & after elections. Unite for elections. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #25

THIS. Obsess on internal Democratic Party politics at our peril. Only coalition will DEFEAT THE GOP. FreepFryer Jul 2018 #26

I understand ouija Jul 2018 #27

Not scared. As we say, a big tent. But some districts need different candidates than others to win. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #34

Once again, spot on. (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2018 #36

And what are they supposed to "do" about those with wealth? 7962 Jul 2018 #28

Wealth has been moving to the rich in greater and greater number every year. It is not because they wasupaloopa Jul 2018 #53

To those on the right Glamrock Jul 2018 #30

Sure, they're not persuadable. But they are trying to persuade persuadable voters to the right wing. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #35

Regardless. Glamrock Jul 2018 #43

It's Possible colsohlibgal Jul 2018 #32

There have been "democratic socialists" for a long time... Sancho Jul 2018 #40

"yet" ... HA! :-D NurseJackie Jul 2018 #44

Democratic Socialist is a BS Term used by the RIGHT. lancelyons Jul 2018 #48

Well said SHRED Jul 2018 #55

"liberal" has also been used by the right, and we shrunk the fuck away from it. Any name will be JCanete Jul 2018 #64

I have no problem with this wryter2000 Jul 2018 #50

That will never happen, and they're not even close to being a "big part" of the Democratic Party. George II Jul 2018 #51

Never say never SkyDancer Jul 2018 #119

LOL!! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #132

Well a winning approach isn't what I had in mind SkyDancer Jul 2018 #140

Okay, here you and I agree peggysue2 Jul 2018 #142

You can bet Putin is using the "socialist" label SHRED Jul 2018 #52

Just because of the divisivness heaven05 Jul 2018 #57

We have more immediate challenges than relabeling our party. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #58

It would be a mistake for the Democratic Socialists to emphasize the Socialist. Many people who OregonBlue Jul 2018 #59

Democratic Socialists are moderates by post WWII standards. And they are moderates KPN Jul 2018 #61

+100 Duppers Jul 2018 #78

Democratic Socialists aren't socialists. They're Social Democrats. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #66

They used to be back in the 50's, 60's and 70's. They are just New Deal Democrats Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #68

Man, that last sentence was some pure White privileges. Blue_true Jul 2018 #70

Not talking about racial justice issues and neither is the OP Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #72

If there is no racial justice, there cannot be social justice. Blue_true Jul 2018 #74

Are you seriously accusing me of being prejudice? Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #80

No. I have read your posts and generally like them. Blue_true Jul 2018 #83

Okay, gotcha Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #87

We can agree to disagree. Blue_true Jul 2018 #88

I agree with what you just said Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #95

Could you please explain what you mean here: betsuni Jul 2018 #99

It seems like we can't have one without the other. KPN Jul 2018 #104

I agree. They are inseparable as policy, IMO. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #110

Nope. He's pointing out it's a privilege to be able to set aside the issue. And it undoubtedly is. bettyellen Jul 2018 #85

Noam Chomsky says pretty much exactly what I said in this video Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #73

You buttress your argument by using a guy that is tone dealf on racial justice. Blue_true Jul 2018 #75

Quit using your absolutely disgusting strawman argument to change the subject Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #81

It is possible to not give an issue it's due importance without being insensitive to it. Blue_true Jul 2018 #86

Sure, I just took your other post wrong Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #89

No problem, we are democrats, we disagree a lot. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #108

'white kids became free love hippies while POC died in Vietnam' melman Jul 2018 #92

Blacks died at a higher percentage per capital. Blue_true Jul 2018 #109

not true, many of those democrats were bigots who stopped supporting JI7 Jul 2018 #90

See this point Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #96

none of that changes anything. white people stopped supporting many things including unions JI7 Jul 2018 #98

Sorry, we are talking about two different things Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #100

and most republicans today would not disagree with generalities like that JI7 Jul 2018 #101

During the sixties, we had a great anti-war slogan DFW Jul 2018 #69

:) "A fool and his money are soon elected." Hortensis Jul 2018 #79

I get what you're pointing to DFW Jul 2018 #91

I could have wrote what you wrote, not as well. I can't disagree with a word. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #112

"they'd (Republicans) sign both our execution orders" Hortensis Jul 2018 #126

It's the current fad, especially in Brooklyn. RandySF Jul 2018 #82

FDR/Democratic Socialist/grassroots is the new tattoo. betsuni Jul 2018 #97

I learned something in this thread. betsuni Jul 2018 #103

For some people. Blue_true Jul 2018 #113

Who? One could argue all of us when you KPN Jul 2018 #114

The Republican Party has become more right wing. betsuni Jul 2018 #117

They are only similar in that they have both KPN Jul 2018 #120

Who here? betsuni Jul 2018 #121

I haven't seen any claims re: Dems don't want universal health care KPN Jul 2018 #127

LOL betsuni Jul 2018 #129

And this is the typical response that occurs KPN Jul 2018 #131

LOL you worked really hard. betsuni Jul 2018 #135

Also typical and telling. KPN Jul 2018 #136

Typical and telling of what? betsuni Jul 2018 #137

Making a claim without providing evidence is a tell Kaleva Jul 2018 #138

What? betsuni Jul 2018 #139

These labels can kiss my ass. I just want every American to have a shot at a good quality of life. phleshdef Jul 2018 #118

Whoever defines the terms controls the discussion. Eyeball_Kid Jul 2018 #128

...and it's in the "Democratic Socialists" advantage to NOT misuse the term "socialist" brooklynite Jul 2018 #143

Excellent point! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #144

Socialist democrat is net vote loss. pwb Jul 2018 #130

Repubs have been labeliing Dems as bomb throwing radical leftists for decades. Kaleva Jul 2018 #134

2018 2018 2018 2018 awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #133

Yes!! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #145

Same ol' GOP arguments since the 1950s. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #146