Hogwash. What you are saying is it had nothing to do with the number of people who voted for Trump, (Reply #78)

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78. Hogwash. What you are saying is it had nothing to do with the number of people who voted for Trump,

many of whom were independents.

Blame is a loser's game. We don't want to be losers.

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163 replies	Author	Time	Post
Post removed [View all]	Post removed	Jun 2018	OP
Get ready to be flamed for making sense	HopeAgain	Jun 2018	#1
Everything on your list is now in jeopardy for decades due to today's USSC retirement news.	beaglelover	Jun 2018	#3
Spin your wheels however you want...	HopeAgain	Jun 2018	#4
Spin yours... you're views are in the minority	revmclaren	Jun 2018	#26
I voted for Hillary	HopeAgain	Jun 2018	#33
!1000000!	SammyWinstonJack	Jun 2018	#76
Let people grieve. n/t	ChiTownDenny	Jun 2018	#155
More power to u and all of us.	Chickensoup	Jun 2018	#91
You're the one who's " Spin your wheels however you want..."	Cha	Jun 2018	#55
+1000000...	revmclaren	Jun 2018	#128
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2018	#9
Independents are not a bloc. n/t	seaglass	Jun 2018	#14
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2018	#18
Only 10% of Independents do not vote along party lines. I didn't say ignore Independents	seaglass	Jun 2018	#29
....	Scurrilous	Jun 2018	#38
Some independents lean Republican, some lean Democratic. They aren't a monolithic block n/t	emulatorloo	Jun 2018	#130
Agreed! Sanders and idiot Stein screwed us all!	machoneman	Jun 2018	#99
Thank you.	Sophia4	Jun 2018	#19
You're so right! Way past time to end the 2016 blame game...we need to unite & look to the future!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Jun 2018	#60
Clinton DID Talk about those things	dbackjon	Jun 2018	#98
Pretty sure we talked about all that in 2016. nt	Dr Hobbitstein	Jun 2018	#107
No.	Squinch	Jun 2018	#2
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2018	#5
Really?	Me.	Jun 2018	#86
You mean voter suppression works right? thx in advance	uponit7771	Jun 2018	#6
Of eligible voters is referenced in the Pew Research report, so that has been addressed I think.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#36
VSM's in 08 & 12 did not match what went into law by 16. I've found no PEW polling on how	uponit7771	Jun 2018	#45
2016 was the first presidential election following the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. N/T	lapucelle	Jun 2018	#132
Fuck that	leftynyc	Jun 2018	#7
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2018	#10
Want to have another hissy fit?	leftynyc	Jun 2018	#15
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2018	#22
I think the point is that people need to learn to tell the difference between an imperfect friend...	nycbos	Jun 2018	#17
Welcome to DU	el_bryanto	Jun 2018	#20
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2018	#24
Fucking 3rd Party LIARS stein and sarandon Are Going TO LIE	Cha	Jun 2018	#65
And what do you suppose could have been done to switch Stein and Trump voters	Sophia4	Jun 2018	#23
Links please, because what I read is black people in Milwaukee and Detroit didn't turn out to vote.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#42
to be accurate...we don't know if the black vote didn't turn out	questionseverything	Jun 2018	#105
A friend from elementary school said her son	xmas74	Jun 2018	#129
Hogwash. What you are saying is it had nothing to do with the number of people who voted for Trump,	KPN	Jun 2018	#78
Great and accurate post! I agree 100%! Morons indeed! n/m	machoneman	Jun 2018	#101
It seems absurd and dull-witted	LanternWaste	Jun 2018	#8
More -	RandomAccess	Jun 2018	#11
Good additional material.	CanSocDem	Jun 2018	#28
It won't, but -	RandomAccess	Jun 2018	#41
Pardon me, but that is some stupid shit.	Jakes Progress	Jun 2018	#12
Numbers and facts are stupid?	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#43
Wow! Whites are the majority of this country	ecstatic	Jun 2018	#13
But Trump "won" in certain states only by a small margin.	Sophia4	Jun 2018	#40
It's possible that she chose the wrong mate. But here is how I allocate the blame:	ecstatic	Jun 2018	#66
She would have won if she had selected Bernie as her running mate.	Sophia4	Jun 2018	#82
Um... racism as in trump energizing the alt right and KKK members...	ecstatic	Jun 2018	#93
Fuck Jill Stein voters and Susan Sarandon supporters. They did not vote Dem and can go to hell.	LonePirate	Jun 2018	#16
Sorry, but your support of Jill Stein was and continues to be a horrible mistake.	DanTex	Jun 2018	#21
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2018	#27
LOL. That's what you got from the OP's bashing of Hillary Clinton?	DanTex	Jun 2018	#30
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2018	#35
You think Jill Stein is "looking to unite"? Really? Where do you get that idea?	DanTex	Jun 2018	#39
Not this "independents" bullshit, we're more versed on that M$M meme here	uponit7771	Jun 2018	#48
The time for unity was on November 8, 2016. As of today, Stein voters are essentially Republicans.	LonePirate	Jun 2018	#51
Thanks for the enlightenment Dan. The OP must have had a change of heart as some do	seaglass	Jun 2018	#46
I see no change of heart, so...	Hav	Jun 2018	#75
Wish we could rec individual posts	RhodeIslandOne	Jun 2018	#61
Thank you, those who wrote that deserve the spotlight now.	Hav	Jun 2018	#67
I don't support Jill Stein. I support logic, truth, and respect.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#79
Not anymore? That's good to hear. You're well on your way.	DanTex	Jun 2018	#81
Then you blew it.	Cha	Jun 2018	#85
You did at one time	RhodeIslandOne	Jun 2018	#119
No - fuck those faux-gressive rightwing activists	Adenoid_Hynkel	Jun 2018	#25
Oh ffs, Ocasio-Cortez is not a RWer. Outrageous attack on a soon to be elected	Exotica	Jun 2018	#110
Play a different card.	lpbk2713	Jun 2018	#135
How about the 'do not bash general election Democratic candidates' card?	Exotica	Jun 2018	#158
How small a tent is TOO small?	LiberalLovinLug	Jun 2018	#162
No, not listening to half wits like Stein and Sarandon is the lesson. It is on their head that	Demsrule86	Jun 2018	#31
And she still won by three million votes!	dhol82	Jun 2018	#32
Not complicated. Sarandon, Stein, Corny West and their ilk cost us votes.	oasis	Jun 2018	#34
Maybe. But that's not what cost Clinton the election as least by a read of the numbers I linked.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#74
Wrong.	SunSeeker	Jun 2018	#137
Simple	get the red out	Jun 2018	#37
If you honestly believe....	spicysista	Jun 2018	#44
+1, "received enough votes to impact the states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, and Michigan. "	uponit7771	Jun 2018	#53
.	revmclaren	Jun 2018	#59
At this point, that's all we can do. Keep an arsenal of the facts handy and ready to deploy. nt.	spicysista	Jun 2018	#142
Thank you.	emulatorloo	Jun 2018	#127
Yes, this is a terrible op. I'm not sure what he was trying to do here. nt.	spicysista	Jun 2018	#134
First of all I think this is a terrible post...and secondly many voters were targeted for voter	Demsrule86	Jun 2018	#47
Actually the point of the post is to show that your premises are incorrect.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#69
cool story bro !	stonecutter357	Jun 2018	#49
Yeah, so cool.. and there's more to the story..	Cha	Jun 2018	#143
NO.	MariaCSR	Jun 2018	#50
No.	Bradical79	Jun 2018	#52
NO	boston bean	Jun 2018	#54
Stop blaming the people who gave us Trump.	NCTraveler	Jun 2018	#56
Thanks.	elleng	Jun 2018	#57
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Jun 2018	#58
Good point. I blame you	Renew Deal	Jun 2018	#62
I wish people would stop trying to defend 3rd party voters	standingtall	Jun 2018	#63
If Trump enablers do not understand the dire straights we're all facing under	NY_20th	Jun 2018	#64
What's more amazing is those blaming the "far left"	MadDAsHell	Jun 2018	#68
There's plenty of blame to go around. Don't worry, they get a share of it. n/t	cynatnite	Jun 2018	#70
Post removed	Post removed	Jun 2018	#71
Say bye bye!	marble falls	Jun 2018	#72
The exit polls misstated Trump's performance among Latinos. Here are some articles that demonstrate	StevieM	Jun 2018	#73
She lost because of James Comey	SubjectTrip	Jun 2018	#77
It is not simply she lost because of Comey or Russians	standingtall	Jun 2018	#87
Those who fail to learn from history...	Trumpocalypse	Jun 2018	#80
Can you say Kris Kobach	xeodtech	Jun 2018	#83
You're part of the problem.. You got sucked into voting for Stein..	Cha	Jun 2018	#84
Amen	BannonsLiver	Jun 2018	#89
Good catch Cha.	Scurrilous	Jun 2018	#90
It's all DanTex.. I'm just running	Cha	Jun 2018	#97
...	Scurrilous	Jun 2018	#116
Explains how sanguine	Skidmore	Jun 2018	#94
stein and ssarandon LIED their DAMN heads OFF and got	Cha	Jun 2018	#112
Indeed, Cha.	Skidmore	Jun 2018	#121
Much Love to you	Cha	Jun 2018	#126
Like I said, the numbers show Jill Stein Voters weren't the issue. Numbers don't lie. Sorry.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#95
The OP should not have posting privileges here.	Codeine	Jun 2018	#109
I know, Codeine.. an in you face Jill Stein Voter who	Cha	Jun 2018	#122
What the numbers show is African American Voter went down and minorities	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#113
You voted for Stein and proudly used DU as the platform to make that public	Hav	Jun 2018	#120
You don't know how I voted and it doesn't matter either way.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#131
HERE are some numbers that say "you lie"	BumRushDaShow	Jun 2018	#144
We need to stop blaming each other. We need each other to end this scourge.	Lint Head	Jun 2018	#88
I'll tell you what those polls DON'T reflect. They don't reflect how many people the Sarandon's and	still_one	Jun 2018	#92
Mahalo for that, still_one.. And the OP Owns This..	Cha	Jun 2018	#136
Here's Sarandon telling us that Hillary is worse than Trump...	NurseJackie	Jun 2018	#138
In November 2016 the choice was between a fascist and Hillary Clinton	bronxiteforever	Jun 2018	#96
I knew there would be some hot takes sooner or later	Blue_Tires	Jun 2018	#100
I'm not following your logic. 100% of Stein voters and Sarandon (AFAIK) did not vote for	spooky3	Jun 2018	#102
The fact is that Jill Stein took enough votes in the 3 critical states to swing the election.	pnwmom	Jun 2018	#103
Should be more angry at...	mwooldri	Jun 2018	#152
Fuck that.	ismnotwasm	Jun 2018	#104
People like you aren't the whole problem,	Codeine	Jun 2018	#106
Allow me to respond to that. If they're being honest...	NurseJackie	Jun 2018	#151
I blame everyone's that didn't vote for Hillary.	tammywammy	Jun 2018	#108
Yes, definitely complicated. But if they had not played their role Hillary might be President.	Bernardo de La Paz	Jun 2018	#111
Jill Stein is a mediocre, pretty limited buffoon and Susan is a pretty good actress	Guy Whitey Corngood	Jun 2018	#114
Black Voters for Trump/Immigration	JustAnotherGen	Jun 2018	#115
"if there is any demographic that "dropped off"...it would be the African American vote."	BumRushDaShow	Jun 2018	#117
Look at the numbers.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#133
Look at the numbers in post #144	BumRushDaShow	Jun 2018	#146
But you don't know where those 3rd party numbers came from or where they would have went.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#157
Black voter turnout was higher, as a %, than whites in '12. Lower in '16	7962	Jun 2018	#163
Yes...let's blame Comey! Even tho the polls show he didn't cost the election.	Honeycombe8	Jun 2018	#118
The polls absolutely DO show Comey's letter cost Hillary the election.	SunSeeker	Jun 2018	#149
Stop making excuses and take responsibility for what you did.	emulatorloo	Jun 2018	#123
"Voting is a civic responsibility" and yet Asian and Latino voting turnout is way way under...	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#139
I am saying - YOU - shrirked your responsibility. End of story.	emulatorloo	Jun 2018	#147
You don't know how I voted so you have no basis to say such a thing.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#153
You deny writing this?	emulatorloo	Jun 2018	#160
+ 1	NY_20th	Jun 2018	#140
I am SOOOOOOO very with you on this. I'm so sick of the looking back and finger	Ferrets are Cool	Jun 2018	#124
Fuck no. (nt)	Paladin	Jun 2018	#125
It must be nice to be so privileged, safe and utterly self-involved...	liberalmuse	Jun 2018	#141
Voter turnout for Presidential elections is worse in Latino and Asian populations.	Bread and Circus	Jun 2018	#150
I had an argument	videohead5	Jun 2018	#145
TRASHED.	DinahMoeHum	Jun 2018	#148
I will, rightly, blame Stein and Sarandon for Trump every day, and there's no valid argument	Tarc	Jun 2018	#154
Oh Please ...	chesterslick	Jun 2018	#156
Thanks for posting this.	zentrum	Jun 2018	#159
Actually I blame Trump voters for Trump being elected. n/t	Mr.Bill	Jun 2018	#161

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