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empedocles

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40. FDR had very difficult wars to win support for, cope with and win.
Sat Jun 23, 2018, 09:33 PM
Jun 2018

Germans [not only in Germany, but very significant numbers in the U.S. the Bund etc.], isolationists, Japan, very powerful,wealthy Americans against FDR [coup supporters, see Smedley Butler et al], etc. etc.

Many 'criticisms' of FDR were not based on the fault of FDR's personal predilections, but on FDR's tremendously difficult strategic/practical political considerations. Even with all FDR's brilliance, the happenstance of Pearl Harbor was still extremely important in mobilizing public support for winning efforts in what became WWII.

FDR sharedvalues Jun 2018 #1
Yes. These writers can safely trash the black progressives who Hortensis Jun 2018 #111
Great presidents are still capable of making the wrong choices. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2018 #2
erm... shanny Jun 2018 #106
What exactly is your point? That great men are not plaster saints? Hekate Jun 2018 #3
We are currently living under a dime-store Mussolini, and THIS is your post? Hekate Jun 2018 #4
Great point. I'm in total agreement with you. Repugs have been... brush Jun 2018 #52
Repugs are trying to DIVIDE the Democratic coalition. Hortensis Jun 2018 #112
x1000 peggysue2 Jun 2018 #128
I gotta defend FDR on your point thbobby Jun 2018 #5
but when released - they had nothing - it was taken and not returned lame54 Jun 2018 #9
Don't defend it. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #15
This, ⬆️ right here is why I appreciate your OP. Wwcd Jun 2018 #29
Very true Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #34
It shouldn't be forgotten. JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #30
The OP point was that internment outweighed the good works of FDR. It doesn't. They coexist. Nt FreepFryer Jun 2018 #85
No your point was that the bad outweighed the good Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #127
The money and property taken were not returned either...I can recognize that FDR saved Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #118
FDR made a mistake on this without a doubt, but on balance remains among our best US Presidents hlthe2b Jun 2018 #6
Jesse Owens was pretty critical too... SidDithers Jun 2018 #7
There are those here that will wax on about how great FDR was for Blacks. Blue_true Jun 2018 #42
I know this subject pretty damn well and I have to say Chitown Kev Jun 2018 #49
To the day she died, my grandmother revered FDR EffieBlack Jun 2018 #91
Thanks Effie. That is my reading of the history books. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #99
Woody Guthrie says it best in song.... handmade34 Jun 2018 #105
Fucking SAVE IT. nt Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #8
Great men have great flaws kentuck Jun 2018 #10
The bad, heavy weight and 'stain' of FDR, on a Democratic forum. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #11
You do have to consider the times and that's why using him to attack Democrats today is bs JI7 Jun 2018 #12
yes, it was horrible but that does NOT negate what Cha Jun 2018 #13
+1000 n/t FreepFryer Jun 2018 #86
"good/FDR ... not out weigh the bad"? - *****************huh*?! UTUSN Jun 2018 #14
You are quoting Frankfurter in this thead? former9thward Jun 2018 #24
So... his quote applies to himself besides FDR & Pius XII and many others of many eras. UTUSN Jun 2018 #39
I want to know what it means when people call themselves FDR Democrats. betsuni Jun 2018 #16
It probably means different things to different people. PETRUS Jun 2018 #20
Haha NOPE Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #21
Agreed. PETRUS Jun 2018 #22
LBJ's Great Society programs were inclusive of AAs so he was better... brush Jun 2018 #56
Yes I agree. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #57
"What Trump is doing right now with immigrants reminded me of the stain on FDR." tenderfoot Jun 2018 #137
LBJ's Great Society was far from free of internalized racism, eg. peroetuating income inequality... FreepFryer Jun 2018 #87
He came up with Medicaid and Medicare...so you are wrong. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #123
Are you suggesting that Medicaid and Medicare (for example) do not reflect any internalized racism? FreepFryer Jun 2018 #124
Sorry, there can inherent racism in the implementation of any program...different thing with Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #147
Not sure how that in any way responds to my point. Nt FreepFryer Jun 2018 #148
Where did anyone attack LBJ? brush Jun 2018 #138
Nowhere, that was my point, I was arguing that the OP was attacking FDR w/o comparison or context. FreepFryer Jun 2018 #139
I consider LBJ one of our best presidents we ever had domestically...the war off course was a shit Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #119
yep shoulda let the germans win. bad F D R. nt msongs Jun 2018 #17
He locked up US citizens Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #18
It was a stain ... A big one ... But didn't outweigh the good. uponit7771 Jun 2018 #25
Sorry, but you are simply wrong Exotica Jun 2018 #19
They should have donen the right thing sarisataka Jun 2018 #23
He was almost as good as that sixteen year President. marble falls Jun 2018 #26
FDR was prez for 12 yrs, not 16 Bucky Jun 2018 #76
It's a joke. betsuni Jun 2018 #77
Oh, okay. Bucky Jun 2018 #79
here ... marble falls Jun 2018 #109
I am not sure of the point you're making. madaboutharry Jun 2018 #27
The fact that he turned back Jewish people, who went back to Europe Blue_true Jun 2018 #43
There's some truth to this...but ask yourself Chitown Kev Jun 2018 #50
Horseshit trof Jun 2018 #28
It's easy to look down our noses at 1938 from the comfort and perspective of 2018 EffieBlack Jun 2018 #92
That is very true...his polices saved the country. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #120
I read the thread and... Solly Mack Jun 2018 #31
Agree 100% madaboutharry Jun 2018 #103
Your opinion is complete without rationale thought at all beachbum bob Jun 2018 #32
Wow. Blue_true Jun 2018 #45
Yes, it does. shanny Jun 2018 #33
"We see the same today"????? Sorry, I can't KPN Jun 2018 #35
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #36
Weren't the immigration quotas thucythucy Jun 2018 #37
The Japanese were AMERICANS USA BORN Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #38
I never said they weren't. thucythucy Jun 2018 #51
I've never heard an American use the phrase "USA born". (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #140
I don't think there's a proper Russian translation for "American Born" tenderfoot Jun 2018 #144
Da! Along with the unlikely use of the letter "o" in various. (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #145
Thank you for your post. He also founded the March of Dimes and the Roosevelt Warm Springs Lady_Chat Jun 2018 #44
Eleanor Roosevelt drafted the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. thucythucy Jun 2018 #59
German prisoners of war were allowed to go places Black Americans Blue_true Jun 2018 #46
He wasn't "blind to the issues of racial injustice thucythucy Jun 2018 #55
It's not a smear, it's the truth. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #60
Not one of his best decisions, I agree. thucythucy Jun 2018 #65
Wow. Blue_true Jun 2018 #68
Oh how I wish I did not like pretzles Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #71
For some reason, I never developed a taste for them, or fresh strawberries. Blue_true Jun 2018 #72
Speaking of food, a fun fact about FDR. betsuni Jun 2018 #73
It's both. thucythucy Jun 2018 #116
And Truman regularly called black people "Niggers" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #94
Didn't Truman also integrate the US military? Complicated is right. Hekate Jun 2018 #100
"They were mortals with mortal flaws" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #104
Thanks, Effie Hekate Jun 2018 #126
THIS +1000000000 (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #141
The racial climate in the US in the 1930s was entirely different from 1960 and beyond. George II Jun 2018 #114
This EffieBlack Jun 2018 #93
+1,000,000 thucythucy Hekate Jun 2018 #101
Counting down the seconds before you proclaim that John Fante Jun 2018 #53
FDR had very difficult wars to win support for, cope with and win. empedocles Jun 2018 #40
So putting Americans in prison because of how they looked was ok? Blue_true Jun 2018 #47
Not 'ok' empedocles Jun 2018 #108
Exactly. And I've come to the realization that ucrdem Jun 2018 #41
That realization is, IMO, very misguided RandomAccess Jun 2018 #129
OFFS. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2018 #48
Trump is having a terrible week. The worst of his presidency. John Fante Jun 2018 #54
How about lets just acknowledge the truth? Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #58
FDR was a damn good President. Trump is a right-wing fascist. rockfordfile Jun 2018 #62
I never said he was as bad ad Trump. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #63
You are overwhelmingly ignorant of history. Hekate Jun 2018 #102
That is not fair. I have seen the letter sent to Roosevelt begging him to help Black families who Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #121
"Fair" would be not implying that FDR and Donnie two-scoops have anything in common whatsoever Hekate Jun 2018 #125
FDR was an honorable man and way ahead of his times...but I can see both sides here...Donnie two Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #132
Yes Hekate Jun 2018 #133
I just did. John Fante Jun 2018 #64
That's some weird math mythology Jun 2018 #61
It doesn't ''out weigh'' it Chitown Kev Jun 2018 #66
Apparently, black people - like my grandmother - were too stupid to understand FDR was bad for them EffieBlack Jun 2018 #95
The policies were aimed at white men...but they also people of color...who can argue against the Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #122
Not even Jackie? RandomAccess Jun 2018 #130
Nope... Chitown Kev Jun 2018 #136
Fortunately, FDR, unlike some many current DU members GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #67
Trump and his ninnies claim. Blue_true Jun 2018 #70
I'm not attacking him Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #74
Sure you're not. You are creating a false equivalency between the man who fought fascism ... Hekate Jun 2018 #98
Actually, Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #80
Okay so WHO are the FDR Democrats in your mind?? RandomAccess Jun 2018 #131
Agree, totally. nt Raine Jun 2018 #90
It do make one wonder, don't it? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #96
Ex Parte Quirin and the Korematsu decision are two disasters of that time soryang Jun 2018 #69
The Good certainly outweighed the bad. Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #75
Interesting thing about internmt of the Nissei. They didn't do it in Hawaii Bucky Jun 2018 #78
No president is stainless, even Dem ones Jake Stern Jun 2018 #81
This op and this thread are some prime shit-stirring. Fucking false equivalencies, whataboutism... Hekate Jun 2018 #82
+1. Smells like an import (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #88
Doesn't it just. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #89
Eyup. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #97
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #117
You got that right tenderfoot Jun 2018 #135
Thank you. GusBob Jun 2018 #146
FDR is a sacred cow around here. ecstatic Jun 2018 #83
FDR defined the modern democratic party HopeAgain Jun 2018 #110
Voters will forget Lady_Chat Jun 2018 #142
I get your point completely ecstatic Jun 2018 #143
Patent idiocy. The good absolutely outweighs the bad, Unless you'd rather live in a global Germany. FreepFryer Jun 2018 #84
Ask George Takai, who was interned in the camps. I'm sure he'd disagree with you. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #107
Sure it does. Codeine Jun 2018 #113
Yes because FDR is just "the same" as Donnie Shit for Brains maxrandb Jun 2018 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jun 2018 #134
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