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FDR sharedvalues Jun 2018 #1
Yes. These writers can safely trash the black progressives who Hortensis Jun 2018 #111
Great presidents are still capable of making the wrong choices. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2018 #2
erm... shanny Jun 2018 #106
What exactly is your point? That great men are not plaster saints? Hekate Jun 2018 #3
We are currently living under a dime-store Mussolini, and THIS is your post? Hekate Jun 2018 #4
Great point. I'm in total agreement with you. Repugs have been... brush Jun 2018 #52
Repugs are trying to DIVIDE the Democratic coalition. Hortensis Jun 2018 #112
x1000 peggysue2 Jun 2018 #128
I gotta defend FDR on your point thbobby Jun 2018 #5
but when released - they had nothing - it was taken and not returned lame54 Jun 2018 #9
Don't defend it. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #15
This, ⬆️ right here is why I appreciate your OP. Wwcd Jun 2018 #29
Very true Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #34
It shouldn't be forgotten. JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #30
The OP point was that internment outweighed the good works of FDR. It doesn't. They coexist. Nt FreepFryer Jun 2018 #85
No your point was that the bad outweighed the good Bradshaw3 Jun 2018 #127
The money and property taken were not returned either...I can recognize that FDR saved Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #118
FDR made a mistake on this without a doubt, but on balance remains among our best US Presidents hlthe2b Jun 2018 #6
Jesse Owens was pretty critical too... SidDithers Jun 2018 #7
There are those here that will wax on about how great FDR was for Blacks. Blue_true Jun 2018 #42
I know this subject pretty damn well and I have to say Chitown Kev Jun 2018 #49
To the day she died, my grandmother revered FDR EffieBlack Jun 2018 #91
Thanks Effie. That is my reading of the history books. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #99
Woody Guthrie says it best in song.... handmade34 Jun 2018 #105
Fucking SAVE IT. nt Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #8
Great men have great flaws kentuck Jun 2018 #10
The bad, heavy weight and 'stain' of FDR, on a Democratic forum. appalachiablue Jun 2018 #11
You do have to consider the times and that's why using him to attack Democrats today is bs JI7 Jun 2018 #12
yes, it was horrible but that does NOT negate what Cha Jun 2018 #13
+1000 n/t FreepFryer Jun 2018 #86
"good/FDR ... not out weigh the bad"? - *****************huh*?! UTUSN Jun 2018 #14
You are quoting Frankfurter in this thead? former9thward Jun 2018 #24
So... his quote applies to himself besides FDR & Pius XII and many others of many eras. UTUSN Jun 2018 #39
I want to know what it means when people call themselves FDR Democrats. betsuni Jun 2018 #16
It probably means different things to different people. PETRUS Jun 2018 #20
Haha NOPE Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #21
Agreed. PETRUS Jun 2018 #22
LBJ's Great Society programs were inclusive of AAs so he was better... brush Jun 2018 #56
Yes I agree. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #57
"What Trump is doing right now with immigrants reminded me of the stain on FDR." tenderfoot Jun 2018 #137
LBJ's Great Society was far from free of internalized racism, eg. peroetuating income inequality... FreepFryer Jun 2018 #87
He came up with Medicaid and Medicare...so you are wrong. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #123
Are you suggesting that Medicaid and Medicare (for example) do not reflect any internalized racism? FreepFryer Jun 2018 #124
Sorry, there can inherent racism in the implementation of any program...different thing with Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #147
Not sure how that in any way responds to my point. Nt FreepFryer Jun 2018 #148
Where did anyone attack LBJ? brush Jun 2018 #138
Nowhere, that was my point, I was arguing that the OP was attacking FDR w/o comparison or context. FreepFryer Jun 2018 #139
I consider LBJ one of our best presidents we ever had domestically...the war off course was a shit Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #119
yep shoulda let the germans win. bad F D R. nt msongs Jun 2018 #17
He locked up US citizens Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #18
It was a stain ... A big one ... But didn't outweigh the good. uponit7771 Jun 2018 #25
Sorry, but you are simply wrong Exotica Jun 2018 #19
They should have donen the right thing sarisataka Jun 2018 #23
He was almost as good as that sixteen year President. marble falls Jun 2018 #26
FDR was prez for 12 yrs, not 16 Bucky Jun 2018 #76
It's a joke. betsuni Jun 2018 #77
Oh, okay. Bucky Jun 2018 #79
here ... marble falls Jun 2018 #109
I am not sure of the point you're making. madaboutharry Jun 2018 #27
The fact that he turned back Jewish people, who went back to Europe Blue_true Jun 2018 #43
There's some truth to this...but ask yourself Chitown Kev Jun 2018 #50
Horseshit trof Jun 2018 #28
It's easy to look down our noses at 1938 from the comfort and perspective of 2018 EffieBlack Jun 2018 #92
That is very true...his polices saved the country. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #120
I read the thread and... Solly Mack Jun 2018 #31
Agree 100% madaboutharry Jun 2018 #103
Your opinion is complete without rationale thought at all beachbum bob Jun 2018 #32
Wow. Blue_true Jun 2018 #45
Yes, it does. shanny Jun 2018 #33
"We see the same today"????? Sorry, I can't KPN Jun 2018 #35
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #36
Weren't the immigration quotas thucythucy Jun 2018 #37
The Japanese were AMERICANS USA BORN Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #38
I never said they weren't. thucythucy Jun 2018 #51
I've never heard an American use the phrase "USA born". (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #140
I don't think there's a proper Russian translation for "American Born" tenderfoot Jun 2018 #144
Da! Along with the unlikely use of the letter "o" in various. (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #145
Thank you for your post. He also founded the March of Dimes and the Roosevelt Warm Springs Lady_Chat Jun 2018 #44
Eleanor Roosevelt drafted the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. thucythucy Jun 2018 #59
German prisoners of war were allowed to go places Black Americans Blue_true Jun 2018 #46
He wasn't "blind to the issues of racial injustice thucythucy Jun 2018 #55
It's not a smear, it's the truth. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #60
Not one of his best decisions, I agree. thucythucy Jun 2018 #65
Wow. Blue_true Jun 2018 #68
Oh how I wish I did not like pretzles Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #71
For some reason, I never developed a taste for them, or fresh strawberries. Blue_true Jun 2018 #72
Speaking of food, a fun fact about FDR. betsuni Jun 2018 #73
It's both. thucythucy Jun 2018 #116
And Truman regularly called black people "Niggers" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #94
Didn't Truman also integrate the US military? Complicated is right. Hekate Jun 2018 #100
"They were mortals with mortal flaws" EffieBlack Jun 2018 #104
Thanks, Effie Hekate Jun 2018 #126
THIS +1000000000 (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #141
The racial climate in the US in the 1930s was entirely different from 1960 and beyond. George II Jun 2018 #114
This EffieBlack Jun 2018 #93
+1,000,000 thucythucy Hekate Jun 2018 #101
Counting down the seconds before you proclaim that John Fante Jun 2018 #53
FDR had very difficult wars to win support for, cope with and win. empedocles Jun 2018 #40
So putting Americans in prison because of how they looked was ok? Blue_true Jun 2018 #47
Not 'ok' empedocles Jun 2018 #108
Exactly. And I've come to the realization that ucrdem Jun 2018 #41
That realization is, IMO, very misguided RandomAccess Jun 2018 #129
OFFS. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2018 #48
Trump is having a terrible week. The worst of his presidency. John Fante Jun 2018 #54
How about lets just acknowledge the truth? Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #58
FDR was a damn good President. Trump is a right-wing fascist. rockfordfile Jun 2018 #62
I never said he was as bad ad Trump. Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #63
You are overwhelmingly ignorant of history. Hekate Jun 2018 #102
That is not fair. I have seen the letter sent to Roosevelt begging him to help Black families who Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #121
"Fair" would be not implying that FDR and Donnie two-scoops have anything in common whatsoever Hekate Jun 2018 #125
FDR was an honorable man and way ahead of his times...but I can see both sides here...Donnie two Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #132
Yes Hekate Jun 2018 #133
I just did. John Fante Jun 2018 #64
That's some weird math mythology Jun 2018 #61
It doesn't ''out weigh'' it Chitown Kev Jun 2018 #66
Apparently, black people - like my grandmother - were too stupid to understand FDR was bad for them EffieBlack Jun 2018 #95
The policies were aimed at white men...but they also people of color...who can argue against the Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #122
Not even Jackie? RandomAccess Jun 2018 #130
Nope... Chitown Kev Jun 2018 #136
Fortunately, FDR, unlike some many current DU members GulfCoast66 Jun 2018 #67
Trump and his ninnies claim. Blue_true Jun 2018 #70
I'm not attacking him Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #74
Sure you're not. You are creating a false equivalency between the man who fought fascism ... Hekate Jun 2018 #98
Actually, Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #80
Okay so WHO are the FDR Democrats in your mind?? RandomAccess Jun 2018 #131
Agree, totally. nt Raine Jun 2018 #90
It do make one wonder, don't it? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #96
Ex Parte Quirin and the Korematsu decision are two disasters of that time soryang Jun 2018 #69
The Good certainly outweighed the bad. Power 2 the People Jun 2018 #75
Interesting thing about internmt of the Nissei. They didn't do it in Hawaii Bucky Jun 2018 #78
No president is stainless, even Dem ones Jake Stern Jun 2018 #81
This op and this thread are some prime shit-stirring. Fucking false equivalencies, whataboutism... Hekate Jun 2018 #82
+1. Smells like an import (n/t) FreepFryer Jun 2018 #88
Doesn't it just. nt Hekate Jun 2018 #89
Eyup. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #97
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #117
You got that right tenderfoot Jun 2018 #135
Thank you. GusBob Jun 2018 #146
FDR is a sacred cow around here. ecstatic Jun 2018 #83
FDR defined the modern democratic party HopeAgain Jun 2018 #110
Voters will forget Lady_Chat Jun 2018 #142
I get your point completely ecstatic Jun 2018 #143
Patent idiocy. The good absolutely outweighs the bad, Unless you'd rather live in a global Germany. FreepFryer Jun 2018 #84
Ask George Takai, who was interned in the camps. I'm sure he'd disagree with you. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2018 #107
Sure it does. Codeine Jun 2018 #113
Yes because FDR is just "the same" as Donnie Shit for Brains maxrandb Jun 2018 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jun 2018 #134
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