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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders is nothing but a heckler [View all]philly_bob
(2,419 posts)154. The shame of DU is this acceptance of Bernie bashing.
Last edited Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:11 PM - Edit history (1)
It makes DU inhospitable to new members attracted by Bernie's idealism. It hurts Dem chances in 2018 and 2020. Why do so many DU'ers seem attached to insulting one wing (I call it progressive) of this big political party, in support of another wing (call it what you will) that lost to fucking Donald Trump.
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So, if I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#12
The real hard core progressives, left, have been critical of him for a very long time
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#111
Considering he is the most popular politician in the country this is simply off base.
Quixote1818
Apr 2018
#362
Don't think Bernie needs much improving, he's ONLY the #1 Democratic presidential hopeful for 2020
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#294
He will be almost 80 years old. He won't win a primary. But the damage he will inflict by even
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#522
We should have some fresh candidates who are not almost 80 years old and who did not have
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#595
In a democracy, any & all credible candidates should be welcome to throw their hat into the ring...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#601
Why would you "shut down" Bernie, who's been named the #1 Democratic presidential hopeful for 2020?
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#606
Yes, if he runs, we lose period. but if he runs as a Democrat and spends his time bashing the party
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#610
I respect your opinion Dems, but I can't believe you think Bernie running as an Independent
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#612
And you think that allowing Sanders to run as a Democrat would avoid that scenario?
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#616
I would like to also add this unreasonable hatred of corporations in the age of United is foolish.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#634
It's called NOT FOR SALE, not hatred of corporations; I expressed not one iota of hatred...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#640
First of all, Obama self- funded as well..Sen Sanders can raise the money...or at least he
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#673
Thanks for mentioning that: "nobody has been held accountable for the lies and war crimes."
SMC22307
Apr 2018
#116
Bernie's right about a lot of things...splains why so many Democrats have been adopting
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#297
Myself included! I hope Bernie discloses at LEAST the last 5 years of his tax returns...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#312
10 years seems excessive. The Dems' proposed bill requires disclosure of only 3 yrs of tax returns.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#586
I agree with the judgment of Congressional Democrats and support their proposal... seems reasonable.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#588
I think that is fair. I think all candidates need to do this but I don't suppose we can make
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#600
There have been dozens of such posts written about both Clintons...and other Democrats.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#49
I could care a less...she has been called worse. She is a private citizen...not running for anything
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#65
Yep! That type of nitpicking is what a prospective buyer and their realtor does...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#394
Democratic leadership feels so *trashed* by Sanders that it appointed him to an outreach position.
SMC22307
Apr 2018
#270
To me, this looks to be a "consolation prize" appointment. I think they might have been hoping...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#467
And who are these "third way ... wall street Dems" who want to "shred the social safety net"??
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#480
Too bad the left did't have Obama's back in 10...and helped give the purse strings
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#526
These thread arise when Sen. Sanders bashes Democrats as he did at the MLK event. Sen. Sanders who
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#525
No Dems, it's a rush to defend him from UNFAIR criticism... For example, if Bernie
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#323
Or maybe try joining the party instead just constantly bashing it. He just said our last 15 years...
brush
Apr 2018
#264
Right on! Most of these anti-Bernie comments are not even remotely close to constructive criticism.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#307
He is not a victim...but I invite you to pull those posts that bash the Clintons
JCanete
Apr 2018
#456
How about a site that lists of his major legislative accomplishments instead?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#470
Do you want one that lists all democratic accomplishments, or just the ones that paint us in a good
JCanete
Apr 2018
#481
and money doesn't have an influence on politics...you certainly can't see its impact...
JCanete
Apr 2018
#509
I don't think I did that at all, but I do appreciate that we aren't getting anywhere, so best of
JCanete
Apr 2018
#515
So, you're saying that until Bernie has "big corrupt money" he won't accomplish anything?
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#554
no, I wasn't saying that. I don't know where you got that from. I do mean that rarely will it be
JCanete
Apr 2018
#558
Sadly though, money is itself a corruption. Arguably even at the small donor level, except that
JCanete
Apr 2018
#566
Sadly, legislation is a team effort. If one distains teamwork, or views **any**
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#570
I don't think that is what we've seen, but I think we can recognize certain behaviors
JCanete
Apr 2018
#573
no I don't. why would I give a shit? Why does that have anything to do with DU? You don't think
JCanete
Apr 2018
#482
You seem to claim that Sanders supporters are all saints and never attacked clinton
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#484
No I don't claim that at all. I'm talking about the atmosphere on DU, and at that,
JCanete
Apr 2018
#486
I do not know tha tmost sanders supporters departed to JPR. Do you have anything to back that up?
JCanete
Apr 2018
#489
good lord. I didn't declare anything near as dramatic. yes I am asking for numbers. How is me saying
JCanete
Apr 2018
#559
"I guess chasing away Ken Burch wasn't enough" --- I have no idea what you're talking about.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#261
I'd better be nice to you Jackie, don't want you chasing me away. Don't want you to make me.....
George II
Apr 2018
#340
You haven't seen bashing here yet if you wen't around for the '16 primary.
fleabiscuit
Apr 2018
#322
Unfortunately, there were many worse posts about Hillary and the posters remain.
yardwork
Apr 2018
#81
LOL! Hillary wrote a 512-page book & has been on a year-long worldwide tour bashing Democrats, among
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#326
Obama for one, criticizing him for not speaking out more on her behalf...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#387
Yes, absolutely, but one shouldn't bash Obama for not doing more about Russian interference.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#492
Okay fine, if that's your standard, then that applies to Bernie... he's just describing things
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#397
Calling Democrats "feeble" and "corrupt" and "ideologically bankrupt" is NOT an example of...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#399
There is a difference between complaining after a loss vs day after day for 30 plus years
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#452
Could you quote a section of Hillary's book where she bashed the Democratic Party?
yardwork
Apr 2018
#384
If Medicare and SS are cut the Dems nor Sanders will have any say in it. The repugs, in case...
brush
Apr 2018
#271
Of course, but if they run everything and put thru cuts is not the fault of the Democratic Party.
brush
Apr 2018
#281
If it pre-dates the 2016 campaign or still has regurgitators now, I'm still not participating.
brush
Apr 2018
#503
Looks like that person can't respond to my question. I really wanted to know, too.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#507
There were (are) some here who use their boasts to insinuate that Democratic candidates...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#510
I saw you post yesterday that it's illegal for candidates to accecpt corporate donations.
betsuni
Apr 2018
#511
He's not a Democrat. He criticizes the party as much as he does trump (O charismatic and...
brush
Apr 2018
#269
Criticism that divides the party is good? Why not actually join the party and work within to...
brush
Apr 2018
#436
Let him stay an independent then and stop trying to head the Democratic Party ticket.
brush
Apr 2018
#494
Your point is EXTREMELY well taken... I just take issue with referring to this site as a joke...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#303
Nope, the WP article wasn't a poll, the actual polls have Biden polling better than Sanders
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#321
As someone posted upthread, now that Obama's no longer in office we cant hold feet to the fire
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#309
No politician has told the truth about the state of our country and our world,
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#6
Dogs have four legs and fur. Therefore all animals with four legs and fur are dogs.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#33
In my last college class now 46 years ago we were addressed by our student advisor. He said....
George II
Apr 2018
#57
If any solution starts off with the phrase "All ya need to do is---," then you can...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#64
Come on. If Sanders presidential run had the impact on young people that you claim, he would have
lunamagica
Apr 2018
#188
What, do they all tell you they are there because of Sanders, are they wearing his t shirts
lunamagica
Apr 2018
#200
Oh, it was the DNC. whic allowerd him to become a Democrat overnight so he could use its
lunamagica
Apr 2018
#242
Ya, Oregon was established by racists. It still voted with that mentality.
fleabiscuit
Apr 2018
#367
A good point, and I think nationalization of business, with very few exceptions,
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#576
that interview was very disappointing, I was so surprised how poorly he did as he always seemed
Exotica
Apr 2018
#532
I get that Bernie's criticism of the Democratic Party attracts those who want reform and real change
MaryMagdaline
Apr 2018
#127
In other words, the Democratic Party consists of neoliberals in the pocket of corporations and
betsuni
Apr 2018
#378
If you dont acknowledge that BOTH major parties have existed to serve big capital,
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#540
The difference is big capital. You may know G.K. Chestertons quote about the problem of Capitalism,
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#549
Wow I just read a post here, not sure how that is possible, that calls
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#455
He complains about Democrats and has vague policies with no details that in my opinion are
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#52
The reason he gets treated this way is because he's done other things besides bring new people in.
DanTex
Apr 2018
#439
When someone calls the Democratic party "corrupt" or "feeble" or "ideologically bankrupt"...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#53
I've tried making this point forever and a day... WE NEED TO UNITE AGAINST OUR COMMON ENEMY!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#333
So now we have Hillary supporters who have worked themselves into such hatred of Bernie
BeyondGeography
Apr 2018
#181
LOL! Bernie telling voters -- in deep red Texas -- to not vote for Republicans...
SMC22307
Apr 2018
#207
Yes, every person including Bernie should be saying NOTHING negative about D
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#119
I read the book and that is not really true...but no matter what Hillary is a Democrat. Sen. Sanders
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#528
Bernie may caucus with us but he has gone out of his way to remain an independent and is not a
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#597
Bernie is for all intents & purposes a Democrat... aside from caucusing with the Democrats,
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#603
Bernie Sanders will tell you he is an independent...voting has nothing to do with it.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#605
As would barring Bernie from running in the 2020 primary as a Democrat...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#607
We will lose either way I think. I would take barring Sen. Sanders as I believe it would be less
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#609
Certainly someone like Bernie who caucuses w/ Democrats & reliably votes w/the majority of Democrats
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#621
That's the standard you believe should be used to determine whether someone runs as a Dem?
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#622
You're reading an awful lot into what I said... not every statement is mutually exclusive.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#623
Absent a ballot access law on tax returns, it is hard to keep a candidate off the ballot
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#624
Hes not an ally - hes an adversary who uses our resources to advance his interests, some of which
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#43
What you just said is provable fact. I wish we could talk about the people who are
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#120
If we wouldn't stand quietly while the GOP smears our party, why should we remain silent...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#234
Calling out his bad behavior is not bashing. It's holding him accountable. It's helpful criticism.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#276
None of these are insults, smears, or attacks, nor does calling him a heckler address them
Ms. Toad
Apr 2018
#289
Are they not grasping that Democrats fully control only six states, an historic low?
SMC22307
Apr 2018
#288
The Party is not his Party and it diminishes our electoral chances. He is not a Democrat and should
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#534
Well that was last time...and in my opinion he should have not been allowed to run...a run as an
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#599
Sen. Sanders brings it on himself by both his words and his actions recently
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#529
Sanders proposals and platform had no chance of being adopted in the real world
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#94
They were not enough...in 16 and won't be in 20...oh sure they can help elect the GOP by acting as
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#531
When Sanders was what, Senator or Congressperson? Which of those two positions
JCanete
Apr 2018
#375
you help to perpetuate the real world, as is. The republicans are content to reshape it to their
JCanete
Apr 2018
#405
how am I proving the premise of the op? Why don't you tell me what I said that was untrue? If
JCanete
Apr 2018
#408
I'll just say Goth, I wish you all the luck in the world. I don't think its the right approach. I
JCanete
Apr 2018
#417
holy shit...are we on repeat here? I already went into why that's a dumb argument...but you hold
JCanete
Apr 2018
#418
Do you really want to compare Clinton's accomplishments in the senate to Sanders?
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#447
I asked you a question...do you have answer? Yes, Clinton has a range of political accomplishments.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#449
You know what....if that's what you care about, I hope you have a shiny trophy your ready to dust
JCanete
Apr 2018
#453
I don't even know what to do with that. So your saying Sanders hasn't brought more people into the
JCanete
Apr 2018
#462
"I know that there are a lot more grass roots efforts popping up to fight in primaries,"
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#547
Specifically relating to Our Revolution, Wolf Pack, other professed "berniecrats"
JCanete
Apr 2018
#553
next time link to evidence of that attack, so I can evaulate it for myself. By the way, what's a
JCanete
Apr 2018
#627
Candidate for Congress admits arrest for cocaine when he was a teenager, riling Fort Bend race
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#637
It's amusing that you would use anything to belittle me in an effort to prove that you're right.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#663
Here is some on the candidate that was attacked by the Our Revolution assholes
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#694
The attacks on Sri Kulkarni have been well documented right here on DU, and most....
George II
Apr 2018
#641
I was just told that the Our Revolution told a group that Sri was "not one of us"
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#681
I'm really not surprised. Of course they'll say it was a "rogue chapter", but it is being done.....
George II
Apr 2018
#684
I think that attribution for "impact" needs to be factually attributed. It's definitely cumulative.
ehrnst
Apr 2018
#416
I do not understand why some politicians take such pride at accomplishing nothing...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#409
I've addressed your version of "nothing" in plenty of posts ad nauseum, but I wouldn't expect
JCanete
Apr 2018
#421
If I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#426
Do you think it's helpful to call Democrats "feeble" or "corrupt" or "ideologically bankrupt"?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#122
I dont know how many will demand we APPEAL to them to get them to help us remove
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#123
My concern is exactly what you just so aptly described. Some of us will vote for the Democratic
KPN
Apr 2018
#145
Links please. I have not seen Sanders say those things anywhere. I have and do see, however,
KPN
Apr 2018
#136
I think if you believe it, you should say it. I don't think its helpful to pretend that something is
JCanete
Apr 2018
#153
Are you among those who criticized Hillary for speaking truth about Trump supporters a few weeks ago
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#424
If you'd like I'll link to you my response regarding Clinton and what she said about
JCanete
Apr 2018
#435
I think it is hypocritical to criticize Democrats for saying things that Trump voters may find
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#445
Well I just described some differences. What about those do you disagree with? Otherwise,
JCanete
Apr 2018
#451
In the real world, the Texas Democratic Party used to waste a ton of money on this theory
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#565
In htat real world scenario, I might take issue with how they tried to do it. I see how they
JCanete
Apr 2018
#567
"But he doesn't work with others to accomplish it." -- Agreed! It's always ...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#414
Bernie ran a campaign without the use of corporate money. Therein lies his sin.
jalan48
Apr 2018
#124
My problems with Bernie have nothing to do with whether he took corporate money
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#133
Your problems, or lack-there-of, with our other candidates have nothing to do with
JCanete
Apr 2018
#162
There are numerous articles on who funded the 2016 election. Google and you can see for
jalan48
Apr 2018
#164
Google it yourself! "Corporations and unions are banned from donating money directly to candidates
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#267
The only strange thing is your not so transparent attempt to tie Bernie to the Russians.
jalan48
Apr 2018
#217
Well then, I'm sure Mueller will be all over it. Let's see what his report says.
jalan48
Apr 2018
#221
Any Democratic candidate who refuses to provide their returns need to be excluded from the ballot
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#355
Your first statement isn't 100% accurate, and your last one is implying that....
George II
Apr 2018
#243
Ya think?! Of course big business & Wall Street expect it. Bernie set the bar high
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#357
It's largely a ceremonial role that has little or no real or meaningful impact on party business.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#159
Totally insulting and off base. If he were wrong about his complaints...and why don't you
JCanete
Apr 2018
#138
It truly depends on how you define it. I define an outsider as somebody who isn't in the click...who
JCanete
Apr 2018
#373
That doesn't make him an insider. Every mesasure that people here would use to bash him
JCanete
Apr 2018
#406
how? where are my contradicitions? Okay wow....so something that just happened recently
JCanete
Apr 2018
#516
Well for starters its hard to nail this down when so much of the language here, when its convenient,
JCanete
Apr 2018
#518
You do realize that the premise of this thread is that Sanders is an outsider with no
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#569
fucking a....except that my first post literally address why the presmise is bullshit, and since you
JCanete
Apr 2018
#629
Ask them why dont they want to see the same number of years and extent of tax returns
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#653
Oh no, dont think he will, but someone will. They better. Or we better get the info
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#661
I like living in the real world and in the real world need to have realistic proposals
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#662
I wanted to find a list of his major legislative accomplishments were... but nobody wanted to reply.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#664
well you could have asked for clarification, but I get that that's not what you're going for.
JCanete
Apr 2018
#478
No, I'm not. The op is saying "nothing but a heckler" which would suggest no value. I
JCanete
Apr 2018
#574
How does sanders' proposals have any value without a magical voter revolution?
Gothmog
Apr 2018
#583
how does being in opposition to a voter revolution have any value? But I've said over and over how
JCanete
Apr 2018
#584
That doesn't make any sense Effie...hell our society continues to make whole races outsiders. Would
JCanete
Apr 2018
#628
Sanders is put there by his constituents, not by the other people in congress. There
JCanete
Apr 2018
#660
Because we have a two party system, a heckling "outsider" benefits the other party.
honest.abe
Apr 2018
#383
No it doesn't. It benefits our party to create an environment where the groundworks is laid down
JCanete
Apr 2018
#402
Perhaps.. but during the intervention I think bashing the person as a failure..
honest.abe
Apr 2018
#485
I'll give you that it is indelicate. Its a conversation that's been going on for years though...nt
JCanete
Apr 2018
#487
The Senate Steering and Outreach committee is about setting the Democratic agenda in the Senate
tammywammy
Apr 2018
#236
Hey, I just found this cool Trash This thread button. Let me see what it does.
CentralMass
Apr 2018
#178
Thank God someone has finally found the courage to criticize Bernie Sanders on DU
Still In Wisconsin
Apr 2018
#179
Ive been arguing upthread, trying to make a reasonable case against this echo chamber.
Ron Green
Apr 2018
#195
Corporations and unions are banned from donating money directly to candidates.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#245
Its becoming apparent that Sanders main goal is to destroy the existing Democratic party..
honest.abe
Apr 2018
#250
He is. It is. They do. It is. It will. It will. He does. He should. He will. They are. It is.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#286
Nope, it's holding feet to the fire. Remember that? Or was that just for Obama? nt
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#314
I'd like to thank Bernie Sanders for everything he does to support our veterans.
democrank
Apr 2018
#272
Whether we do that or not doesn't change the truth. Your post is a distraction. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2018
#313
Just one of many issues Bernie has led on... his support of our veterans is second to none!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Apr 2018
#332
Interesting. It seems that someone's "second to none" boast isn't entirely accurate.
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#386
So, if I wanted to find out what his major legislative accomplishments were, where would I look?
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#385
Why doesnt anyone take you up on this? I tried with a thread of my own, but when
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#460
Threads like this on an anonymous, rather obscure message board will have nothing to do with whether
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#427
Exactly! The post you're responding to is echoing a common (but flawed) theme...
NurseJackie
Apr 2018
#442
It's so ''American'' to use football analogies for political converse. Perhaps that's what's wrong.
YOHABLO
Apr 2018
#354
The fact is this person they are discussing has TREMENDOUS influence over MILLIONS
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#461
It's beyond belief that we've had over a YEAR of this pathetic, petty, divisive bullshit.
Kentonio
Apr 2018
#530
It is past time for Sen. Sanders to bow out of the 2020 presidential race for the good of the
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#536
666 replies is bad luck. Also I like Bernie although I think he's flawed. nt
el_bryanto
Apr 2018
#667